Bad News Thread

[Glitterhater]

More than 1/2 of Kansas counties have refused their allotment of vaccine for this week due to lack of demand.

I really would like to know if people were this hesitant for things like Polio, etc. From what I've been told- no. They would line up and clammor to get vaccinated. It's just crazy to me how today's world of fake news, (which btw, I read a stat somewhere that said fake news is shared like 5x more than real news,) has made people forget that we have science- science is not new, and FB and Twitter are not reliable news sources.

 

[Grace T.]

I really would like to know if people were this hesitant for things like Polio, etc. From what I've been told- no. They would line up and clammor to get vaccinated. It's just crazy to me how today's world of fake news, (which btw, I read a stat somewhere that said fake news is shared like 5x more than real news,) has made people forget that we have science- science is not new, and FB and Twitter are not reliable news sources.

The downturn really coincided with the Johnson and Johnson halt. It’s not the sole cause because the red states are seeing a bigger downturn than the blue states. But it was a stunning own goal that didn’t help things now that we are hitting vaccine reluctance. It doesn’t help either that the blood clots hit otherwise healthy younger women. From a risk analysis point of view they have less of a danger with covid and there’s a bit of a free rider problem (if everyone else gets vaccinated I’ll be fine) so they might figure why risk myself taking an experimental drug. Polio on the other hand struck down otherwise healthy people so everyone was at risk even if the early shots carried a risk themselves. A person under 40 has a less than .1% chance of dying from covid. A person under 40 though could have been crippled by polio ruining their life (which for some is worse than death)

 

[Glitterhater]

The downturn really coincided with the Johnson and Johnson halt. It’s not the sole cause because the red states are seeing a bigger downturn than the blue states. But it was a stunning own goal that didn’t help things now that we are hitting vaccine reluctance. It doesn’t help either that the blood clots hit otherwise healthy younger women. From a risk analysis point of view they have less of a danger with covid and there’s a bit of a free rider problem (if everyone else gets vaccinated I’ll be fine) so they might figure why risk myself taking an experimental drug. Polio on the other hand struck down otherwise healthy people so everyone was at risk even if the early shots carried a risk themselves. A person under 40 has a less than .1% chance of dying from covid. A person under 40 though could have been crippled by polio ruining their life (which for some is worse than death)

True- I agree that although you have a better chance of being struck by lightning than getting a clot from the J&J vax, those that were already on the fence pretty much said no thanks.
Re: the Polio vax, very true- the disease itself was much worse, BUT- I can't imagine the shots were as safe as they are now so I still wonder why the hesitance. There is the tired argument that this shot was developed way too fast, (we know this isn't true,) and that it was fast tracked too much. Well- we threw literally all the money we had at it which we normally can't/don't do. I found this great chart put together by a public health scientist that I should find again- it breaks down in a very unbiased way how the process was done. It wasn't in a shaming tone or meant to put anyone on blast.

 

[Hüsker Dü]

It wasn't in a shaming tone or meant to put anyone on blast.

So it’s safe for the overly sensitive?

 

[Bruddah IZ]

The item on that list that really drove it is the “ingrained idea of dissent and individualism.”

On that, we agree.

But it means we ought to take a long look in the mirror. We, as a people, did not do very well when we needed to change our behavior as individuals. We did a bad job writing the rules, and we did a bad job following them.

What happens the next time our country needs some kind of shared sacrifice? Do we all pitch in for 2 months and then give up? In many ways, it is what we did this time.

Yawn.

 

[Bruddah IZ]

South Korea, Taiwan, and Japan are major economic powers, densely populated, democracies, and deeply intwined the world economy.

All three managed to drive R below 1 and keep it there. I suspect all three have suffered less economic damage than we have.

Call it a lockdown if you like. But their policies worked and ours did not.

Simpleton.

 

[Bruddah IZ]

Asian cultures, even Aussies and Kiwis, are more able to bite the bullet and just do the damn restrictions knowing it will make things get worked out faster. Here, the land of death cults and extreme selfishness, not so much.

Asian cultures aren't as fat and unhealthy as 38% of Americans are.

 

[crush]

dad4 said:
"South Korea, Taiwan, and Japan are major economic powers, densely populated, democracies, and deeply intwined the world economy.

All three managed to drive R below 1 and keep it there. I suspect all three have suffered less economic damage than we have.

"Call it a lockdown if you like. But their policies worked and ours did not."

Hey daddy 4, me and some of the fellas on here have rounded up a one way ticket for you to go to either of the Koreas, Japan or Taiwan bro. All paid for dude plus we will pay for all your moving expenses. My brother in law teaches English in Japan and he said he can get you a math job

One way ticket just for Dad 4.

 

[dad4]

dad4 said:
"South Korea, Taiwan, and Japan are major economic powers, densely populated, democracies, and deeply intwined the world economy.

All three managed to drive R below 1 and keep it there. I suspect all three have suffered less economic damage than we have.

"Call it a lockdown if you like. But their policies worked and ours did not."

Hey daddy 4, me and some of the fellas on here have rounded up a one way ticket for you to go to either of the Koreas, Japan or Taiwan bro. All paid for dude plus we will pay for all your moving expenses. My brother in law teaches English in Japan and he said he can get you a math job

One way ticket just for Dad 4.

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Gee, thanks.

You guys chipping in for a full K-pop playlist for my phone, to help me fit in when I get there?

 

[Desert Hound]

One issue I do take issue with in terms of allowing refusal, is sure- not much risk for healthy, young/youngish individuals. However- we have a slew of childhood cancer patients who absolutely cannot get sick with this. When put that way, it seems extremely selfish not to take it if you're a healthy person.

What's even more ironic is those in the anti-camp are likely the same crowd that thought we were idiotic for sacrificing the lives of children, (closing schools, etc,) for the elderly. But- those same people don't jump to protect the children who cannot protect themselves, either.

Remember since the beginning of this till now only 266 people under the age of 17 have died.

It just isn't a group that has any risk at all. So even with the "slew" of childhood cancer patients, that has not translated into large number of deaths over the past year.

So it isn't as you say of "not much risk" for young people...it is that they really have no risk at all.

To put things further into perspective.

We are at 580k deaths since the beginning of this.

TOTAL deaths of people under the age of 39 is just 8,305. Think about that number

And if we look at total deaths of people 49 and under we are at just 24,510

So it is not a surprise that a decent percentage of people under 49 are in no hurry to get vaccinated.

- The are not at risk
- The authorities are saying even after getting vaccinated they want you to wear a mask and distance (so what is the point)
- And again they really are not at risk.

Now notice the age groups at risk. Almost all the deaths are the 65-70+ aged individuals. They know they are at risk and they have logically gotten vaccinated at very high rates.

 

[Desert Hound]

Polio on the other hand struck down otherwise healthy people so everyone was at risk even if the early shots carried a risk themselves. A person under 40 has a less than .1% chance of dying from covid. A person under 40 though could have been crippled by polio ruining their life (which for some is worse than death)

That is exactly why there is a difference in vaccination between the 2.

With one (covid) if you are under 50 you have little to no risk. With polio that wasn't the case.

It is also why as I just said, people at risk for covid ARE getting vaccinated at rather high rates.

In AZ 80% of people over 65 have been vaccinated.

This effectively takes care of covid since that is the age group where 80% off all deaths have come from.

Covid deaths are never going to go down to zero. But at that rate you get covid with the vaccine down to basically a bad flu year type of number. A number that virtually nobody ever blinked an eye about before.

 

[crush]

Asian cultures aren't as fat and unhealthy as 38% of Americans are.

Check this Bruddah, I swear I'm not making this up. Espola and his two pals K & L think I just come on here to make things up. I weighed 218 pounds back in early 2019. I went through some stressful life challenges from 2017-2019. I was struggling bro. Lost it all and was down for the count. I looked up and told you know who that I wont give in and take the cheater bait. I just wont I said because. My wife gave me a heads up on BG and his pals of bandits way before the Rona. I got a heads up so I quit eating red meat and went all in veggies, fruits and nuts. I swear I now way 178 Lbs. I lost 40 big ones. My waste line where all that toxic shit lived is gone. Abs for the wife is pleasing to her eyes and she is so proud of me. I have 32 wayest from 38 bro.

 

[Desert Hound]

Further in AZ

60% of those 55-64 have been vaccinated
45% of those 45-54 have been vaccinated
And 40% of those 34-44 have been vaccinated

So unless/until a new variant comes out that the vaccines don't work with...covid as a major issue is done.

By the way. I haven't looked, but I would wager that even in the red states, the population at risk have gotten the vaccine at high rates.

 

[crush]

By the way. I haven't looked, but I would wager that even in the red states, the population at risk have gotten the vaccine at high rates.

Hound, we still have our wager so dont forget that. I owe Eagle a keg so I dont mind trying to recoup my loses from you. When are the girls allowed to battle each other?

 

[Desert Hound]

Hound, we still have our wager so dont forget that. I owe Eagle a keg so I dont mind trying to recoup my loses from you. When are the girls allowed to battle each other?

Wager still on. Mid May.

 

[crush]

Wager still on. Mid May.

Were coming for you dude. If she can stay injury free from all the targeting in HSS ((lol)), we will make sure to make it out to AZ and let it all ride. I told my dd if her team wins and she helps me take down Hound, I will give her a gift card to the mall down in Santa Monica. I'm all in dude. I keep going double or nothing too so I never lose. I have nothing to lose anyways. My life got sucked by leaches who suck you so dry you need water only to survive with fruits and veggies

 

[dad4]

Further in AZ

60% of those 55-64 have been vaccinated
45% of those 45-54 have been vaccinated
And 40% of those 34-44 have been vaccinated

So unless/until a new variant comes out that the vaccines don't work with...covid as a major issue is done.

By the way. I haven't looked, but I would wager that even in the red states, the population at risk have gotten the vaccine at high rates.

Nationally, vaccination rates for over 65 are running about 80%. Perhaps half of the remainder have had it already.

So, not quite over. About 10% of the high risk population remains.

To the extent that young people follow your lead and say “what’s in it for me”, we will gradually infect that 10% and see some number of additional deaths. Nothing like this past winter. On the order of small tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths.

To the extent that we all get vaccinated, we will reach herd immunity and it will be over without having those unnecessary deaths.

 

[espola]

That is exactly why there is a difference in vaccination between the 2.

With one (covid) if you are under 50 you have little to no risk. With polio that wasn't the case.

It is also why as I just said, people at risk for covid ARE getting vaccinated at rather high rates.

In AZ 80% of people over 65 have been vaccinated.

This effectively takes care of covid since that is the age group where 80% off all deaths have come from.

Covid deaths are never going to go down to zero. But at that rate you get covid with the vaccine down to basically a bad flu year type of number. A number that virtually nobody ever blinked an eye about before.

Back when polio was a public health issue, less than 1% of those diagnosed with polio in childhood ssuffered permanent damage. It was endemic among the world population, was usually contracted at a young age, and most people recovered completely after suffering through an illness similar to a bad cold, and the great majority with no symptoms whatsoever. Essentially, the human race had evolved to a state of coexistence with the disease.

 

[espola]

That is exactly why there is a difference in vaccination between the 2.

With one (covid) if you are under 50 you have little to no risk. With polio that wasn't the case.

It is also why as I just said, people at risk for covid ARE getting vaccinated at rather high rates.

In AZ 80% of people over 65 have been vaccinated.

This effectively takes care of covid since that is the age group where 80% off all deaths have come from.

Covid deaths are never going to go down to zero. But at that rate you get covid with the vaccine down to basically a bad flu year type of number. A number that virtually nobody ever blinked an eye about before.

You don't remember SARS or swine flu? Perhaps you shouldn't expand your condition of willful ignorance to the whole society. You can thank those of us who got our flu shots regularly for protecting you from an uncontrolled spread of the disease.

 

[crush]

You don't remember SARS or swine flu? Perhaps you shouldn't expand your condition of willful ignorance to the whole society. You can thank those of us who got our flu shots regularly for protecting you from an uncontrolled spread of the disease.

How much you weigh bro? Let's see a pic of you today. Do it Magoo......