Bad News Thread

Desert Hound said:
Remember since the beginning of this till now only 266 people under the age of 17 have died.

It just isn't a group that has any risk at all. So even with the "slew" of childhood cancer patients, that has not translated into large number of deaths over the past year.

So it isn't as you say of "not much risk" for young people...it is that they really have no risk at all.

To put things further into perspective.

We are at 580k deaths since the beginning of this.

TOTAL deaths of people under the age of 39 is just 8,305. Think about that number

And if we look at total deaths of people 49 and under we are at just 24,510

So it is not a surprise that a decent percentage of people under 49 are in no hurry to get vaccinated.

- The are not at risk
- The authorities are saying even after getting vaccinated they want you to wear a mask and distance (so what is the point)
- And again they really are not at risk.

Now notice the age groups at risk. Almost all the deaths are the 65-70+ aged individuals. They know they are at risk and they have logically gotten vaccinated at very high rates.
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I can only speak to my (unfortunate) experience with childhood cancer- and trust me when I say this is dangerous for them. Pardon me but it seems as if you look at low death rate as not meaning much of an impact? For a child going through chemo, any type of viral illness is major- doesn't always mean death, no. But is that all we care about? It may mean them having blood counts so low their therapy is stopped until they rebound, (which is dangerous,) it may mean them catching it and being put in the PICU, (expensive, exhausting, stressful hospital stay,) or worst case dying- which I know first hand has happened.
 
Glitterhater said:
I can only speak to my (unfortunate) experience with childhood cancer- and trust me when I say this is dangerous for them. Pardon me but it seems as if you look at low death rate as not meaning much of an impact? For a child going through chemo, any type of viral illness is major- doesn't always mean death, no. But is that all we care about? It may mean them having blood counts so low their therapy is stopped until they rebound, (which is dangerous,) it may mean them catching it and being put in the PICU, (expensive, exhausting, stressful hospital stay,) or worst case dying- which I know first hand has happened.
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I am not denigrating or minimizing anyone who has, has gone through or lost a family member from cancer. I have experience in this area.

What I was pointing out is that if you are under 17 there is no risk. If there were there would be a lot more than 270 deaths out of 580k.

Further:

Conclusions
Children with cancer with SARS-CoV-2 infection do not appear at increased risk of severe infection compared to the general paediatric population. This is reassuring and supports the continued delivery of standard treatment.

www.nature.com

Severity of COVID-19 in children with cancer: Report from the United Kingdom Paediatric Coronavirus Cancer Monitoring Project - British Journal of Cancer

Children with cancer are frequently immunocompromised. While children are generally thought to be at less risk of severe SARS-CoV-2 infection than adults, comprehensive population-based evidence for the risk in children with cancer is unavailable. We aimed to produce evidence of the incidence...
www.nature.com www.nature.com

Summary
Background
Although mortality due to COVID-19 has been reportedly low among children with cancer, changes in health-care services due to the pandemic have affected cancer care delivery.

www.thelancet.com

Global effect of the COVID-19 pandemic on paediatric cancer care: a cross-sectional study

The COVID-19 pandemic has considerably affected paediatric oncology services worldwide, posing substantial disruptions to cancer diagnosis and management, particularly in low-income and middle-income countries. This study emphasises the urgency of an equitably distributed robust global response...
www.thelancet.com
 
Desert Hound said:
Summary
Background
Although mortality due to COVID-19 has been reportedly low among children with cancer, changes in health-care services due to the pandemic have affected cancer care delivery.
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It seems based on the survey above there really isn't much of a threat to kids with cancer.

The problem has been...and is the same with various age groups is that care for other diseases during the pandemic was affected. People not getting checked out, services limited due to hospital usage, resources were limited, etc.

With the main at risk age group being substantially vaccinated, the pressure on the medical system should drop dramatically, which means we can get back to taking care of people as we were prior to the outbreak.
 
Desert Hound said:
Biden and Harris claimed covid would be priority #1.

Biden hasn't been in on any meetings and Harris just 1.

legalinsurrection.com

Biden, Harris Skipping Weekly COVID Calls With Governors, Leaving Cuomo in Charge

Cuomo, the man under investigation for nursing home deaths and sexual harassment, is in charge of weekly COVID calls with other governors.
legalinsurrection.com legalinsurrection.com
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You really are desperate. Should they attend mayoral conferences as well? You applauded the orange man’s feeble response, hence you have no footing on the issue or any other in that case.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
You really are desperate. Should they attend mayoral conferences as well? You applauded the orange man’s feeble response, hence you have no footing on the issue or any other in that case.
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Actually T and/or P were in on all the weekly calls.

The guys in the campaign that said they would make this their #1 priority apparently cannot be bothered to work with the various governors.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
You are desperate and naive, bad combo.
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Desperate and naive? That bit of news originally came from places like the NY Times.

You as usual are desperate to dismiss what the news is.

And that news is we have a guy running around passing US intelligence info about an ally to a country that has been a problem to us and most of the west since the late 70's.
 
Desert Hound said:
Biden and Harris claimed covid would be priority #1.

Biden hasn't been in on any meetings and Harris just 1.

legalinsurrection.com

Biden, Harris Skipping Weekly COVID Calls With Governors, Leaving Cuomo in Charge

Cuomo, the man under investigation for nursing home deaths and sexual harassment, is in charge of weekly COVID calls with other governors.
legalinsurrection.com legalinsurrection.com
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You're searching for a complaint.

Biden's done a wonderful, boring job. He promised me a vaccine rollout. He delivered.

Do I care whether it was Joe or some staff members who handled the details? No. He got the job done.

Joe can take 23 hour naps for all I care. As long as he appoints competent people and they do a good job, I can't complain. This is so much better than a year ago.
 
Desert Hound said:
It seems based on the survey above there really isn't much of a threat to kids with cancer.

The problem has been...and is the same with various age groups is that care for other diseases during the pandemic was affected. People not getting checked out, services limited due to hospital usage, resources were limited, etc.

With the main at risk age group being substantially vaccinated, the pressure on the medical system should drop dramatically, which means we can get back to taking care of people as we were prior to the outbreak.
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Here's the thing though- if you have experience with childhood cancer, you'd understand that kids undergoing daily chemo absolutely(!) should not risj getting covid- you should know that with their immune systems we can't gamble on the "oh- kids have low risk." It's just not apples to apples. If we're fortunate that they remain unscathed then great- but have you checked acog studies? Just had a meeting with my sons oncolgist who still says it's very scary for kids on chemo. No offense, but I am going to listen to him since he's been treating my son since 2014.
 
“To celebrate our independence from this virus on July 4th with family and friends in small groups, we still have more to do in the months of May and June. We all need to mask up until the number of cases goes down, until everyone has a chance to get their shot.”
 
dad4 said:
You're searching for a complaint.

Biden's done a wonderful, boring job. He promised me a vaccine rollout. He delivered.

Do I care whether it was Joe or some staff members who handled the details? No. He got the job done.

Joe can take 23 hour naps for all I care. As long as he appoints competent people and they do a good job, I can't complain. This is so much better than a year ago.
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The vaccine was already rolling out. Biden hasn't changed the plan in place.

He gets credit for sticking with the plan, but he hasn't made and big changes.
 
Glitterhater said:
Here's the thing though- if you have experience with childhood cancer, you'd understand that kids undergoing daily chemo absolutely(!) should not risj getting covid- you should know that with their immune systems we can't gamble on the "oh- kids have low risk." It's just not apples to apples. If we're fortunate that they remain unscathed then great- but have you checked acog studies? Just had a meeting with my sons oncolgist who still says it's very scary for kids on chemo. No offense, but I am going to listen to him since he's been treating my son since 2014.
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I am going to go by the studies presented. If I were a parent I too would have been initially worried. After seeing the actual data come in, I would feel lots better about the covid angle, and would go back to stressing on fighting the cancer.
 
Desert Hound said:
The vaccine was already rolling out. Biden hasn't changed the plan in place.

He gets credit for sticking with the plan, but he hasn't made any big changes.
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Exactly. Nice and boring. No big changes.

Unlike his predecessor, Biden doesn't take a sharpie and try to correct his scientists' work. (What on earth made T think he was qualified to forecast the path of a hurricane? Or devise a covid treatment using household chemicals?)

Instead, Biden listens to the experts and makes sure there are people worrying about all the implementation details. Little things like: do we have enough of the right kind of syringe.

It's a nice change.
 
dad4 said:
Exactly. Nice and boring. No big changes.

Unlike his predecessor, Biden doesn't take a sharpie and try to correct his scientists' work. (What on earth made T think he was qualified to forecast the path of a hurricane? Or devise a covid treatment using household chemicals?)

Instead, Biden listens to the experts and makes sure there are people worrying about all the implementation details. Little things like: do we have enough of the right kind of syringe.

It's a nice change.
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It’s a life saving change!
 
dad4 said:
Exactly. Nice and boring. No big changes.

Unlike his predecessor, Biden doesn't take a sharpie and try to correct his scientists' work. (What on earth made T think he was qualified to forecast the path of a hurricane? Or devise a covid treatment using household chemicals?)

Instead, Biden listens to the experts and makes sure there are people worrying about all the implementation details. Little things like: do we have enough of the right kind of syringe.

It's a nice change.
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So he hasn't done anything. Your first statement said he promised a vaccine rollout and has followed through.

He simply is coloring between the lines.. ie he didn't change the plan. I mean I am glad he didn't...but I don't give him credit other than not screwing up the plan in place. In other words you and I and the rest of us are happy he didn't screw up the plan in place right?
 
There have been a few cases hitting the news both here and abroad of Guillian Barre and paralysis with the Pfizer vaccine. First up was a teen who was an essential worker a few weeks back which was dismissed as noise since GB can occur for other reasons but now it’s hit a few women (one with epilepsy). It’s a condition associated with many other vaccines and may not yet be above the statistical noise but a) there’s enough of them now to trigger an inquiry (there’s roughly as many known as with the blood clots in the us) and b) there’s enough that it may gain traction on sm and media.
 
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