Bad News Thread

Grace T. said:
See kickings post above
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You're supposed to actually have some numbers behind it, not just wave your hands and say it's less than car accidents.

In this case, US covid deaths are a little under 1000 per day. Car crash fatalities are a little under 100 per day.

So, no. You are not more likely to die in the car crash. Especially not if you are older and unvaccinated.
 
Bad math from the math teacher. You’d think that you’d teach your kids to read the math problem first. I didn’t say is covid deaths. I said dying of covid after vaccinated. In Oklahoma there have been 102 breakthrough cases out of over 1 million vaccinated. Out of those 2 have died in Oklahoma. .0005% of those who get it will be hospitalized. Only 2 fully vaccinated people in Oklahoma have died being counted towards covid, 74 people in the us. That’s .0001% of fully vaccinated people

meanwhile your chances of dying in a car crash are 1 in 103 spread out over the course of a lifetime.
 
Grace T. said:
Bad math from the math teacher. You’d think that you’d teach your kids to read the math problem first. I didn’t say is covid deaths. I said dying of covid after vaccinated. In Oklahoma there have been 102 breakthrough cases out of over 1 million vaccinated. Out of those 2 have died in Oklahoma. .0005% of those who get it will be hospitalized. Only 2 fully vaccinated people in Oklahoma have died being counted towards covid, 74 people in the us. That’s .0001% of fully vaccinated people

meanwhile your chances of dying in a car crash are 1 in 103 spread out over the course of a lifetime.
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That one slipped right by me. I completely misread your wording and thought you said “unvaccinated”.

Why are you even talking about the risk to the vaccinated? It isn’t the right question.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
When everyone has had the opportunity to be vaccinated, it is the right question.
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Much as I am annoyed by team virus, I don’t actually want to see them dead.

It also depends on whether people are unvaccinated due to a conscious choice, or some other problem. Some people make a choice to not get vaccinated. Others may just be having trouble navigating the county bureaucracy. I can use a computer to make an appointment, drive there in my car, read and follow direction signs, and get my shot. If I ever get confused, the first person I ask for help will speak my native tongue. But just because the process works for me doesn’t mean it works for everyone.

To the extent that these other problems account for the remaining unvaccinated people, it seems unreasonable to say that everyone has had n opportunity to be vaccinated. I certainly would not make that claim until a few weeks after the clinics start accepting walk ins without appointments.
 
dad4 said:
I certainly would not make that claim until a few weeks after the clinics start accepting walk ins without appointments.
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That’s already happening in SoCal (at least la and vc). There are appointment only govt centers and you still just can’t walk into cvs but yeah all this week and weekend there have been clinics with free to walk on. In many red states due to the lower demand and greater reliance on the private sector that’s already the case.
 
dad4 said:
Much as I am annoyed by team virus, I don’t actually want to see them dead.

It also depends on whether people are unvaccinated due to a conscious choice, or some other problem. Some people make a choice to not get vaccinated. Others may just be having trouble navigating the county bureaucracy. I can use a computer to make an appointment, drive there in my car, read and follow direction signs, and get my shot. If I ever get confused, the first person I ask for help will speak my native tongue. But just because the process works for me doesn’t mean it works for everyone.

To the extent that these other problems account for the remaining unvaccinated people, it seems unreasonable to say that everyone has had n opportunity to be vaccinated. I certainly would not make that claim until a few weeks after the clinics start accepting walk ins without appointments.
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Agreed. I am certainly not ready to make that claim yet. I believe I stated previously maybe by the end of May, but I am open to changing that if there are people that legitimately want the vaccine and don't have access. BTW, I don't want them dead either, but I feel it's more important to respect individual choice than to attempt to force people to get the vaccine against their will.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Agreed. I am certainly not ready to make that claim yet. I believe I stated previously maybe by the end of May, but I am open to changing that if there are people that legitimately want the vaccine and don't have access. BTW, I don't want them dead either, but I feel it's more important to respect individual choice than to attempt to force people to get the vaccine against their will.
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Thanks bro. I just had bday lunch with the Out-Laws. Everyone and I mean everyone got their shots. My wife and I were the only ones who didn't convert. No one dared ask us why we are a big fat no and always will be.
 
Believe it or not, I am just now able to get my first vaccine Tuesday; And it's not through my HCP- it's at a pharmacy inside a grocery store!

I was in this last group of eligibility and I think once they opened to 16+ it became hard again to find an appt, I do know lots of 20 somethings that are ready to freely travel and party and jumped to get it.

Point being, I could see how it may be a bit harder (like Dad was saying,) for a non-native speaker. I was using websites, text lines, FB groups, etc, which is how I found out about the pharmacy site.
 
Glitterhater said:
Believe it or not, I am just now able to get my first vaccine Tuesday; And it's not through my HCP- it's at a pharmacy inside a grocery store!

I was in this last group of eligibility and I think once they opened to 16+ it became hard again to find an appt, I do know lots of 20 somethings that are ready to freely travel and party and jumped to get it.

Point being, I could see how it may be a bit harder (like Dad was saying,) for a non-native speaker. I was using websites, text lines, FB groups, etc, which is how I found out about the pharmacy site.
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Yes, I used vaccinespotter. I was in a group that was prioritized a few weeks before they opened to everyone 16 and up, and 5 weeks ago it was not easy to find availability. The other thing to consider is that after everyone has a legitimate opportunity to get their first shot, we need to add about 4 weeks to that so they get their second shot. I'd be surprised if there was much of a population that still wanted the shot come mid-May and couldn't get it reasonably easily. We'll see.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Agreed. I am certainly not ready to make that claim yet. I believe I stated previously maybe by the end of May, but I am open to changing that if there are people that legitimately want the vaccine and don't have access. BTW, I don't want them dead either, but I feel it's more important to respect individual choice than to attempt to force people to get the vaccine against their will.
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SCC did a survey and found that 90% of adults plan to get the shot.

If that is accurate, cases will be in free fall before they run out of willing vaccine recipients. Vaccine + prior exposure will be about 80%. 84% once they approve Pfizer for 12 year olds.

It's a harder ethical question for the red states. Some of them will run out of willing vaccine takers before they reach herd immunity. For them, allowing vaccine refusal also means adding risk to immuno-compromised people.
 
Another hotel case, this time in Perth in a quarantine hotel...couple caught it from travelers from India in the room across the hall. This time though it’s set off a scramble with Perth going into lockdown and fear of leakage into eastern australia from plane flights. Worries now are they may need to go into their 4th national lockdown if things continue to leak which includes in their case restrictions between regions. Adding to their struggle is they are relying heavily on the az vaccine and have had now 6 blood clot cases.
 
dad4 said:
SCC did a survey and found that 90% of adults plan to get the shot.

If that is accurate, cases will be in free fall before they run out of willing vaccine recipients. Vaccine + prior exposure will be about 80%. 84% once they approve Pfizer for 12 year olds.

It's a harder ethical question for the red states. Some of them will run out of willing vaccine takers before they reach herd immunity. For them, allowing vaccine refusal also means adding risk to immuno-compromised people.
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I'm definitely not saying anything like "well- their own fault." But- if we have a known weapon against it, and they refuse it... ?

One issue I do take issue with in terms of allowing refusal, is sure- not much risk for healthy, young/youngish individuals. However- we have a slew of childhood cancer patients who absolutely cannot get sick with this. When put that way, it seems extremely selfish not to take it if you're a healthy person.

What's even more ironic is those in the anti-camp are likely the same crowd that thought we were idiotic for sacrificing the lives of children, (closing schools, etc,) for the elderly. But- those same people don't jump to protect the children who cannot protect themselves, either.
 
dad4 said:
SCC did a survey and found that 90% of adults plan to get the shot.

If that is accurate, cases will be in free fall before they run out of willing vaccine recipients. Vaccine + prior exposure will be about 80%. 84% once they approve Pfizer for 12 year olds.

It's a harder ethical question for the red states. Some of them will run out of willing vaccine takers before they reach herd immunity. For them, allowing vaccine refusal also means adding risk to immuno-compromised people.
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I swear I did not see your last sentence when I replied. LOL! We are saying the same thing, I think?
 
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