Bad News Thread

Grace T. said:
Polio on the other hand struck down otherwise healthy people so everyone was at risk even if the early shots carried a risk themselves. A person under 40 has a less than .1% chance of dying from covid. A person under 40 though could have been crippled by polio ruining their life (which for some is worse than death)
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That is exactly why there is a difference in vaccination between the 2.

With one (covid) if you are under 50 you have little to no risk. With polio that wasn't the case.

It is also why as I just said, people at risk for covid ARE getting vaccinated at rather high rates.

In AZ 80% of people over 65 have been vaccinated.

This effectively takes care of covid since that is the age group where 80% off all deaths have come from.

Covid deaths are never going to go down to zero. But at that rate you get covid with the vaccine down to basically a bad flu year type of number. A number that virtually nobody ever blinked an eye about before.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
Asian cultures aren't as fat and unhealthy as 38% of Americans are.
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Check this Bruddah, I swear I'm not making this up. Espola and his two pals K & L think I just come on here to make things up. I weighed 218 pounds back in early 2019. I went through some stressful life challenges from 2017-2019. I was struggling bro. Lost it all and was down for the count. I looked up and told you know who that I wont give in and take the cheater bait. I just wont I said because. My wife gave me a heads up on BG and his pals of bandits way before the Rona. I got a heads up so I quit eating red meat and went all in veggies, fruits and nuts. I swear I now way 178 Lbs. I lost 40 big ones. My waste line where all that toxic shit lived is gone. Abs for the wife is pleasing to her eyes and she is so proud of me. I have 32 wayest from 38 bro.
 
Further in AZ

60% of those 55-64 have been vaccinated
45% of those 45-54 have been vaccinated
And 40% of those 34-44 have been vaccinated

So unless/until a new variant comes out that the vaccines don't work with...covid as a major issue is done.

By the way. I haven't looked, but I would wager that even in the red states, the population at risk have gotten the vaccine at high rates.
 
Desert Hound said:
By the way. I haven't looked, but I would wager that even in the red states, the population at risk have gotten the vaccine at high rates.
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Hound, we still have our wager so dont forget that. I owe Eagle a keg so I dont mind trying to recoup my loses from you. When are the girls allowed to battle each other?
 
Desert Hound said:
Wager still on. Mid May.
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Were coming for you dude. If she can stay injury free from all the targeting in HSS ((lol)), we will make sure to make it out to AZ and let it all ride. I told my dd if her team wins and she helps me take down Hound, I will give her a gift card to the mall down in Santa Monica. I'm all in dude. I keep going double or nothing too so I never lose. I have nothing to lose anyways. My life got sucked by leaches who suck you so dry you need water only to survive with fruits and veggies :)
 
Desert Hound said:
Further in AZ

60% of those 55-64 have been vaccinated
45% of those 45-54 have been vaccinated
And 40% of those 34-44 have been vaccinated

So unless/until a new variant comes out that the vaccines don't work with...covid as a major issue is done.

By the way. I haven't looked, but I would wager that even in the red states, the population at risk have gotten the vaccine at high rates.
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Nationally, vaccination rates for over 65 are running about 80%. Perhaps half of the remainder have had it already.

So, not quite over. About 10% of the high risk population remains.

To the extent that young people follow your lead and say “what’s in it for me”, we will gradually infect that 10% and see some number of additional deaths. Nothing like this past winter. On the order of small tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths.

To the extent that we all get vaccinated, we will reach herd immunity and it will be over without having those unnecessary deaths.
 
Desert Hound said:
That is exactly why there is a difference in vaccination between the 2.

With one (covid) if you are under 50 you have little to no risk. With polio that wasn't the case.

It is also why as I just said, people at risk for covid ARE getting vaccinated at rather high rates.

In AZ 80% of people over 65 have been vaccinated.

This effectively takes care of covid since that is the age group where 80% off all deaths have come from.

Covid deaths are never going to go down to zero. But at that rate you get covid with the vaccine down to basically a bad flu year type of number. A number that virtually nobody ever blinked an eye about before.
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Back when polio was a public health issue, less than 1% of those diagnosed with polio in childhood ssuffered permanent damage. It was endemic among the world population, was usually contracted at a young age, and most people recovered completely after suffering through an illness similar to a bad cold, and the great majority with no symptoms whatsoever. Essentially, the human race had evolved to a state of coexistence with the disease.
 
Desert Hound said:
That is exactly why there is a difference in vaccination between the 2.

With one (covid) if you are under 50 you have little to no risk. With polio that wasn't the case.

It is also why as I just said, people at risk for covid ARE getting vaccinated at rather high rates.

In AZ 80% of people over 65 have been vaccinated.

This effectively takes care of covid since that is the age group where 80% off all deaths have come from.

Covid deaths are never going to go down to zero. But at that rate you get covid with the vaccine down to basically a bad flu year type of number. A number that virtually nobody ever blinked an eye about before.
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You don't remember SARS or swine flu? Perhaps you shouldn't expand your condition of willful ignorance to the whole society. You can thank those of us who got our flu shots regularly for protecting you from an uncontrolled spread of the disease.
 
espola said:
You don't remember SARS or swine flu? Perhaps you shouldn't expand your condition of willful ignorance to the whole society. You can thank those of us who got our flu shots regularly for protecting you from an uncontrolled spread of the disease.
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How much you weigh bro? Let's see a pic of you today. Do it Magoo......
 
Desert Hound said:
Remember since the beginning of this till now only 266 people under the age of 17 have died.

It just isn't a group that has any risk at all. So even with the "slew" of childhood cancer patients, that has not translated into large number of deaths over the past year.

So it isn't as you say of "not much risk" for young people...it is that they really have no risk at all.

To put things further into perspective.

We are at 580k deaths since the beginning of this.

TOTAL deaths of people under the age of 39 is just 8,305. Think about that number

And if we look at total deaths of people 49 and under we are at just 24,510

So it is not a surprise that a decent percentage of people under 49 are in no hurry to get vaccinated.

- The are not at risk
- The authorities are saying even after getting vaccinated they want you to wear a mask and distance (so what is the point)
- And again they really are not at risk.

Now notice the age groups at risk. Almost all the deaths are the 65-70+ aged individuals. They know they are at risk and they have logically gotten vaccinated at very high rates.
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I can only speak to my (unfortunate) experience with childhood cancer- and trust me when I say this is dangerous for them. Pardon me but it seems as if you look at low death rate as not meaning much of an impact? For a child going through chemo, any type of viral illness is major- doesn't always mean death, no. But is that all we care about? It may mean them having blood counts so low their therapy is stopped until they rebound, (which is dangerous,) it may mean them catching it and being put in the PICU, (expensive, exhausting, stressful hospital stay,) or worst case dying- which I know first hand has happened.
 
Glitterhater said:
I can only speak to my (unfortunate) experience with childhood cancer- and trust me when I say this is dangerous for them. Pardon me but it seems as if you look at low death rate as not meaning much of an impact? For a child going through chemo, any type of viral illness is major- doesn't always mean death, no. But is that all we care about? It may mean them having blood counts so low their therapy is stopped until they rebound, (which is dangerous,) it may mean them catching it and being put in the PICU, (expensive, exhausting, stressful hospital stay,) or worst case dying- which I know first hand has happened.
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I am not denigrating or minimizing anyone who has, has gone through or lost a family member from cancer. I have experience in this area.

What I was pointing out is that if you are under 17 there is no risk. If there were there would be a lot more than 270 deaths out of 580k.

Further:

Conclusions
Children with cancer with SARS-CoV-2 infection do not appear at increased risk of severe infection compared to the general paediatric population. This is reassuring and supports the continued delivery of standard treatment.

www.nature.com

Severity of COVID-19 in children with cancer: Report from the United Kingdom Paediatric Coronavirus Cancer Monitoring Project - British Journal of Cancer

Children with cancer are frequently immunocompromised. While children are generally thought to be at less risk of severe SARS-CoV-2 infection than adults, comprehensive population-based evidence for the risk in children with cancer is unavailable. We aimed to produce evidence of the incidence...
www.nature.com www.nature.com

Summary
Background
Although mortality due to COVID-19 has been reportedly low among children with cancer, changes in health-care services due to the pandemic have affected cancer care delivery.

www.thelancet.com

Global effect of the COVID-19 pandemic on paediatric cancer care: a cross-sectional study

The COVID-19 pandemic has considerably affected paediatric oncology services worldwide, posing substantial disruptions to cancer diagnosis and management, particularly in low-income and middle-income countries. This study emphasises the urgency of an equitably distributed robust global response...
www.thelancet.com
 
Desert Hound said:
Summary
Background
Although mortality due to COVID-19 has been reportedly low among children with cancer, changes in health-care services due to the pandemic have affected cancer care delivery.
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It seems based on the survey above there really isn't much of a threat to kids with cancer.

The problem has been...and is the same with various age groups is that care for other diseases during the pandemic was affected. People not getting checked out, services limited due to hospital usage, resources were limited, etc.

With the main at risk age group being substantially vaccinated, the pressure on the medical system should drop dramatically, which means we can get back to taking care of people as we were prior to the outbreak.
 
Desert Hound said:
Biden and Harris claimed covid would be priority #1.

Biden hasn't been in on any meetings and Harris just 1.

legalinsurrection.com

Biden, Harris Skipping Weekly COVID Calls With Governors, Leaving Cuomo in Charge

Cuomo, the man under investigation for nursing home deaths and sexual harassment, is in charge of weekly COVID calls with other governors.
legalinsurrection.com legalinsurrection.com
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You really are desperate. Should they attend mayoral conferences as well? You applauded the orange man’s feeble response, hence you have no footing on the issue or any other in that case.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
You really are desperate. Should they attend mayoral conferences as well? You applauded the orange man’s feeble response, hence you have no footing on the issue or any other in that case.
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Actually T and/or P were in on all the weekly calls.

The guys in the campaign that said they would make this their #1 priority apparently cannot be bothered to work with the various governors.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
You are desperate and naive, bad combo.
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Desperate and naive? That bit of news originally came from places like the NY Times.

You as usual are desperate to dismiss what the news is.

And that news is we have a guy running around passing US intelligence info about an ally to a country that has been a problem to us and most of the west since the late 70's.
 
Desert Hound said:
Biden and Harris claimed covid would be priority #1.

Biden hasn't been in on any meetings and Harris just 1.

legalinsurrection.com

Biden, Harris Skipping Weekly COVID Calls With Governors, Leaving Cuomo in Charge

Cuomo, the man under investigation for nursing home deaths and sexual harassment, is in charge of weekly COVID calls with other governors.
legalinsurrection.com legalinsurrection.com
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You're searching for a complaint.

Biden's done a wonderful, boring job. He promised me a vaccine rollout. He delivered.

Do I care whether it was Joe or some staff members who handled the details? No. He got the job done.

Joe can take 23 hour naps for all I care. As long as he appoints competent people and they do a good job, I can't complain. This is so much better than a year ago.
 
Desert Hound said:
It seems based on the survey above there really isn't much of a threat to kids with cancer.

The problem has been...and is the same with various age groups is that care for other diseases during the pandemic was affected. People not getting checked out, services limited due to hospital usage, resources were limited, etc.

With the main at risk age group being substantially vaccinated, the pressure on the medical system should drop dramatically, which means we can get back to taking care of people as we were prior to the outbreak.
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Here's the thing though- if you have experience with childhood cancer, you'd understand that kids undergoing daily chemo absolutely(!) should not risj getting covid- you should know that with their immune systems we can't gamble on the "oh- kids have low risk." It's just not apples to apples. If we're fortunate that they remain unscathed then great- but have you checked acog studies? Just had a meeting with my sons oncolgist who still says it's very scary for kids on chemo. No offense, but I am going to listen to him since he's been treating my son since 2014.
 
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