5 biological men roster wins Australian women's soccer league title & also undefeated this season

pewpew said:
What did he get hounded for? You also wrote that he got into a fight over being called a "sissy" at a tournament. Your kid chose to throw down over being called that?! A bit more on all this would help. (C'mon..you love to talk/type) :rolleyes:
I'll be honest in that I don't frequent the GK forum very often since my GK no longer plays.
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The word is in Spanish and is a slur for gay people. It came after being berated for a goal, having his towel stolen from the bathroom so he’d have to come out naked, his phone taken and case cracked, and water thrown on him in bed.

The hounding was the standard throw the gk under the bus for the team losing season. It’s very common in the gk forum to read about them being bullied by teammates. Also his gk coaches son had a similar experience. In both instances there was a racial component.
Happens to field players too like the African American kid, or the girl on the coed team, or when he was much younger an Asian kid called the c word (I forgot about him…the parents would also say derogatory things about him on the side line). And I’ve seen constant black and Hispanic kids called the n word in the val. If you don’t think bullying takes place in boys soccer you are hopeless naive. If you don’t think they’d bully the boy in the dress, you are hopeless. Slobi isn’t the only trans bigot out there.
 
dad4 said:
You seem to run into a much meaner group of kids than I do.

We had a trans kid on a boys team I coached. They fit in just fine. Zero issues the whole season. Might be why I see boys teams as a reasonable solution, provided people are willing to help make things work.

Most of what you're describing has nothing to do with gender. If you tell teenagers to put away the video games and go to bed, you can expect some push back. Times ten if that if the person asking is also a kid. They'd get treated like a traitor.

But that's about video games and class loyalty, not gender politics.
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there was a racial component as well. So kids being mean in general, class loyalty, racial but the trans kid would be ok? Despite that study showing trans and nonbinary kids get picked on in the bathrooms (so it’s happening even if you discount the numbers as exaggerated…same as the girls being Leared at in bathrooms). Kidding yourself. Utopianism for the sake of wanting your preferred solution. Hey some situations go great…there’s a ftm on my kids school jv soccer team last year no issues….but it’s an umc private school in a tony neighborhood with a diversity counselor who is all in on blm. We could have your preferred solution but it would require radical free speech censorship on folks like slobi and radical reeducation of his kids, which would be an authoritarian solution. I do think you are right umc groups tend to be more accepting and less bullying than the working class masses.
 
Grace T. said:
there was a racial component as well. So kids being mean in general, class loyalty, racial but the trans kid would be ok? Despite that study showing trans and nonbinary kids get picked on in the bathrooms (so it’s happening even if you discount the numbers as exaggerated…same as the girls being Leared at in bathrooms). Kidding yourself. Utopianism for the sake of wanting your preferred solution. Hey some situations go great…there’s a ftm on my kids school jv soccer team last year no issues….but it’s an umc private school in a tony neighborhood with a diversity counselor who is all in on blm. We could have your preferred solution but it would require radical free speech censorship on folks like slobi and radical reeducation of his kids, which would be an authoritarian solution. I do think you are right umc groups tend to be more accepting and less bullying than the working class masses.
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You describe a team environment I would never send a child into. Stay up late playing video games, play poorly, then blame the goalie for the loss. And not just blame, but haze.

Why not just walk away and join a different team?

Which is not too far from where I am with accepting mtf players on sports teams. There are male sports teams available where the coaches don't tolerate being jackasses and calling each other slurs. Join one of them.

Yes, there will be another team 10 miles away where the kids act like idiots and use all kinds of racial slurs. So what? You won't be there.
 
dad4 said:
You describe a team environment I would never send a child into. Stay up late playing video games, play poorly, then blame the goalie for the loss. And not just blame, but haze.

Why not just walk away and join a different team?

Which is not too far from where I am with accepting mtf players on sports teams. There are male sports teams available where the coaches don't tolerate being jackasses and calling each other slurs. Join one of them.

Yes, there will be another team 10 miles away where the kids act like idiots and use all kinds of racial slurs. So what? You won't be there.
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The international was a select team going to an academy trial......

They used to say the same thing to African America people (why not just go to another team or school or neighborhood where you'll be accepted). Why does my neighborhood property values have to take the hit? Again, if that wasn't o.k. then, then this wouldn't be an answer now. Then you'd have the problem with the teams they play against. You'd have to crack down on it, which means reeducating folks like Slobi and his kids. You either find a separate place for them to play (and go to the bathroom) or you use the hammer to eliminate the Slobis of the world (and throw his kids off the team or out of the school)....those are your choices. And from the GK forum stories BTW, team bullying doesn't exactly seem to be a rare occurence....frequently pops up over there.
 
Grace T. said:
The international was a select team going to an academy trial......

They used to say the same thing to African America people (why not just go to another team or school or neighborhood where you'll be accepted). Why does my neighborhood property values have to take the hit? Again, if that wasn't o.k. then, then this wouldn't be an answer now. Then you'd have the problem with the teams they play against. You'd have to crack down on it, which means reeducating folks like Slobi and his kids. You either find a separate place for them to play (and go to the bathroom) or you use the hammer to eliminate the Slobis of the world (and throw his kids off the team or out of the school)....those are your choices. And from the GK forum stories BTW, team bullying doesn't exactly seem to be a rare occurence....frequently pops up over there.
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BTW, just as an example, the hammer would include forcing Slobi and his kids to use the desired pronouns. I oppose that on free speech grounds but no parent of a trans kid trying to pass as a "her" is going to tolerate a team where they repeatedly use "he" (maybe even mockingly, driving the kid to tears). Now, you can say well they are mentally ill, and we shouldn't be forced to buy into their delusions, and they deserve what they get, but then the reality is you are just refusing to provide a place the player feels safe playing in. You are saying you don't care.
 
Grace T. said:
Given your positions, I'd thought you'd go with this....

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If democrats keep telling me it's okay that boys in lip gloss play soccer with the girls, and they can only wear dark shorts with their uniforms in case they start their period at Silverlakes, I may have to "get out of here" and go find a more sane country.
 
Karlton Athletic said:
So you haven’t read the bill… come on, you can do it. I believe in you. Break free from the bubble and actually find out what it says, not what Russian troll farms tell you it says.
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I just said I read the bill. Are you comprehension challenged and like to put words in people's mouths now, too?
 
Slobodan said:
I just said I read the bill. Are you comprehension challenged and like to put words in people's mouths now, too?
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When so many of your posts are inherently in conflict with themselves, "I would do this!" "I never said that!" "I would do this!" "I never said that!", it's hard to believe much of the rest. So read the bill.
 
watfly said:
I don't think that. I was just making a point about relativity. I don't doubt you have the best interests of your kids in mind.

What's the fear of drag queens, or what's the inherent issue with them? As long as their schtick is age appropriate, I wouldn't have a big issue with them doing story time. Drag is a form of comedy. Milton Berle and Flip Wilson we're well known for their drag characters. Would I have Divine perform for kids? no, but I don't think we should lump all acts together.
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I don't fear any of this. It's just odd behavior. I couldn't care less what they do in their own homes and I just posted that here. Go Lady Gaga yourself and gay it up all you want, but you have ZERO business asking to do story time in an elementary school. None. And yes, Milton and Flip were hilarious in those characters. As was Damon Wayans. But here's where we are now:

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RandomSoccerFan said:
When so many of your posts are inherently in conflict with themselves, "I would do this!" "I never said that!" "I would do this" "I never said that", it's hard to believe much of the rest. So read the bill.
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I read the bill, dipshit. What part of that eludes you? All you do is spew drivel. Nobody's heard you make a point yet.
 
watfly said:
Drag queens aren't my first choice for story hour. However, saying it has a sexual component to it, is not much different than Sloboban saying a man in the dress in womans restroom is a sexual thing, or I don't want a gay man around my kids because their is a sexual component. A stripper and a drag queen are apples and oranges. Stripper is sex, drag is entertainment. Can drag be sexual? Absolutely. Is it inherently sexual? Only to the simple-minded that are uncomfortable with men wearing women's cloths.

Webster's definition of Drag Queen: a person and especially a man who performs as an entertainer in usually female drag
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So you think it's appropriate for a drag queen to do story time to Kindergartners? Why would that be?
 
Slobodan said:
I don't fear any of this. It's just odd behavior. I couldn't care less what they do in their own homes and I just posted that here. Go Lady Gaga yourself and gay it up all you want, but you have ZERO business asking to do story time in an elementary school. None. And yes, Milton and Flip were hilarious in those characters. As was Damon Wayans. But here's where we are now:

www.outkick.com

Will Ferrell: I Wouldn't Do The Janet Reno 'SNL' Bit 'Now'

Will Ferrell indicating he has regrets over his role as Janet Reno on 'Saturday Night Live' is bad news for comedy.
www.outkick.com www.outkick.com
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People being offended by comedy is a whole other issue. I think if we all took each others words or schtick a lot less seriously, we'd all be better off.
 
Slobodan said:
So you think it's appropriate for a drag queen to do story time to Kindergartners? Why would that be?
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Like I said, as long as it's age appropriate, I don't have a problem with it. It's nothing I'd promote, or necessarily discourage. Nor do I think its necessary. To me it's much to do about nothing. I don't find drag as a form of entertainment inherently sexual (their acts, like anything entertainment wise can be sexual), or consider drag queens as groomers as some have suggested.

There is a lot of odd behavior in life. As long as your not infringing on other people's rights, or being inappropriate with children, let your "Freak Flag Fly". I don't think if you're different, your oddness should be restricted to the confines of your house.
 
watfly said:
People being offended by comedy is a whole other issue. I think if we all took each others words or schtick a lot less seriously, we'd all be better off.
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I think there are two different drag concepts here. One is the straight men (like the Ronald Reagan soldiers in the coconut bras, the Milton or Damon drag, Eddie Murphy and Robbin Williams) and the other is gay men (which tends to be a bit more risque). The purpose of the former is comedy, but I think the pivotal moment this was the John Goodman Linda Tripp thing which was widely regarded as being mean, esp. in Republican circles. After that you mostly only see it among African American comedians (like Madea or Eddie Murphy) and even that has gradually faded out. The other is the gay men drag which is considered much more high art but also more risque as time has gone on. But again, that bears comparison to the minstrel shows which were also solid artistic performances (not intended as exclusively comedy) but which were derided for being caricatures of African Americans.
 
Slobodan said:
I just said I read the bill. Are you comprehension challenged and like to put words in people's mouths now, too?
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You didn’t say you’d read the bill, you said “I researched it from multiple sources and know what the bill says”, but if you have actually read the bill and still think it mandates tampons for boys, then I don’t I’m the one that’s “comprehension challenged.”
 
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