How’s the 2023-24 season going?

It sounds like he's saying that in cases where a large club has 2 NL teams and 2 RL teams, they are linked - and you can't mix and match from either RL to either NL team. So a player on Koge RL can only club-pass to Koge NL, not Slammers NL. But is there a situation out there with a single club (that isn't just affiliated or partnered with) that has 2 NL teams?

Or maybe he's saying that the E64 and NPL players are off-limits to club-passes if the club is running multiple ECNL or ECNL-R programs. I dunno.
 
RandomSoccerFan said:
It sounds like he's saying that in cases where a large club has 2 NL teams and 2 RL teams, they are linked - and you can't mix and match from either RL to either NL team. So a player on Koge RL can only club-pass to Koge NL, not Slammers NL. But is there a situation out there with a single club (that isn't just affiliated or partnered with) that has 2 NL teams?

Or maybe he's saying that the E64 and NPL players are off-limits to club-passes if the club is running multiple ECNL or ECNL-R programs. I dunno.
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Ya that’s what I’m trying to figure out as well. But even in the case where you have a koge player and a slammers player, I would expect that those two could move rosters (not player pass) so long as those DOCs approve it
 
Yes - they could always move rosters if the DOCs approve it, but it doesn't just become OK because they say so, the player needs to get a new player card assigning them to the new club/team. And then they need to get another new player card if they want to switch back. Whether it's intentional or unintentional, the player card requirements make it cumbersome to switch between clubs within season. Club passes and/or guesting from a completely different organization with no player card conflict are both always going to be easier to manage. (Which is why I didn't understand the limitation or problem with E64/NPL)
 
RandomSoccerFan said:
Yes - they could always move rosters if the DOCs approve it, but it doesn't just become OK because they say so, the player needs to get a new player card assigning them to the new club/team. And then they need to get another new player card if they want to switch back. Whether it's intentional or unintentional, the player card requirements make it cumbersome to switch between clubs within season. Club passes and/or guesting from a completely different organization with no player card conflict are both always going to be easier to manage. (Which is why I didn't understand the limitation or problem with E64/NPL)
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Agree with everything said, but my understanding going from RL to NL isn’t hard to do within the same DBA (ie Koge to koge and slammers to slammers). And to the point, if push came to shove and they wanted bring a koge RL to a slammers NL and move rosters, it can still happen, although there’s administrative work to be done (time and money involved), but to say they “can’t” I don’t understand. It may not be practical but it’s possible.

I know a Legends player who plays with 09 RL, 10NL and 10RL and that may change on any given match day (on a day to day basis).

Last season slammers RL played against many NL players who came down to help out that day too.
 
TeamDadJokes said:
Agree with everything said, but my understanding going from RL to NL isn’t hard to do within the same DBA (ie Koge to koge and slammers to slammers).
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TeamDadJokes said:
I know a Legends player who plays with 09 RL, 10NL and 10RL and that may change on any given match day (on a day to day basis).

Last season slammers RL played against many NL players who came down to help out that day too.
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Understood and agreed. I would have thought a club pass would allow all of this to happen pretty commonly and easily.
 
TeamDadJokes said:
Can you clarify?

To my understanding from the ECNL bylaws, you can add a player to an NL roster so long as the roster does not exceed a total of 30 players in the season. You can absolutely bring an RL player from your own program up to the NL and, if the DOC signs off on it, you can absolutely leave one NL program for another NL program within the same season. These are in the ECNL rules on their website.

I know of 1 player in particular who played for 1 NL team, went to a GA team and then played for another NL team all in the same season (actually within 2 months).

And for within the program of teams with 2 NL teams, I know of handful of RL players were asked if they wanted to move up to NL within slammers last season but declined.

So I don’t understand what you’re trying to imply?
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Simply pointing out that players can't move seemlessly between teams in two separate programs operated by the same club.

Any player registered on any team within a program can play on any age appropriate team within that same program, as long as they only play on one team per day.

Section 2.2.3 of the ECNL Competition Rules touches on multiple program movement, sections 3.14.3 and 3.14.3.1 make it clear that movement between programs is limited.
 
VanMan said:
Simply pointing out that players can't move seemlessly between teams in two separate programs operated by the same club.

Any player registered on any team within a program can play on any age appropriate team within that same program, as long as they only play on one team per day.

Section 2.2.3 of the ECNL Competition Rules touches on multiple program movement, sections 3.14.3 and 3.14.3.1 make it clear that movement between programs is limited.
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Just read through all of that pretty carefully. I believe you may be misinterpreting it to be overly restrictive. Nothing there prevents a player from hopping from a clubs NL team to their RL team to their E64 club multiple times per weekend - let alone per season - as long as it doesn't violate any specific tournament rules about playing in the same age bracket with separate teams. It is just preventing clubs with multiple ECNL teams from swapping players between those ECNL teams without an issue (like Koge/Slammers, or the others TDJ listed above).
 
RandomSoccerFan said:
Just read through all of that pretty carefully. I believe you may be misinterpreting it to be overly restrictive. Nothing there prevents a player from hopping from a clubs NL team to their RL team to their E64 club multiple times per weekend - let alone per season - as long as it doesn't violate any specific tournament rules about playing in the same age bracket with separate teams. It is just preventing clubs with multiple ECNL teams from swapping players between those ECNL teams without an issue (like Koge/Slammers, or the others TDJ listed above).
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NL and RL aren't separate programs, those are separate league competitions as outlined under 2.2.1 and player movement between them is clearly allowed, within play/tie restrictions.
 
VanMan said:
NL and RL aren't separate programs, those are separate league competitions as outlined under 2.2.1 and player movement between them is clearly allowed, within play/tie restrictions.
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Exactly - which is why your initial comment (below) seems off. Slammers can draw from any of those teams, the E64, the NPL, or the multiple RL teams - to play on their NL team - as often or as easily as they'd choose to. It's somewhat strange that they don't, if their top team truly doesn't have enough players on the roster and could benefit by using a club pass.

VanMan said:
If a club runs more than one ECNL program, they can't draw players from outside the program a particular team is registered in.
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Which was in response to:

TeamDadJokes said:
It’s like Slammers NL playing with 13. They’ve got 2 RL teams an E64 and 2 NPL teams they can draw from but they aren’t because of their own reasons. Eagles NL also keeps a small roster too despite having 18 on the RL roster and talent on non RL teams that could slide up.
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VanMan said:
Simply pointing out that players can't move seemlessly between teams in two separate programs operated by the same club.

Any player registered on any team within a program can play on any age appropriate team within that same program, as long as they only play on one team per day.

Section 2.2.3 of the ECNL Competition Rules touches on multiple program movement, sections 3.14.3 and 3.14.3.1 make it clear that movement between programs is limited.
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To me it sounds like using ths Slammers vs Slammers Koge example players need to be registered to one program or the other. If you're registered to Koge can play on their ECNL ECRL and E64 teams.

Here's where it gets a little murky + would likely get a review from ECNL leadership. Technically Slammers and Slammers Koge could move players between teams mid-season. But there would be an entire paperwork + DOC approval process. This would be like moving a player from Surf to Blues mid-season.

So technically moving players between to two Slammers entities could occur. However in reality it's not something you could do more than once per season.

As to why teams choose to roster a limited number of players? Probably just to create exclusivity to annoy parents on lower teams to keep them engaged.
 
RandomSoccerFan said:
Exactly - which is why your initial comment (below) seems off. Slammers can draw from any of those teams, the E64, the NPL, or the multiple RL teams - to play on their NL team - as often or as easily as they'd choose to. It's somewhat strange that they don't, if their top team truly doesn't have enough players on the roster and could benefit by using a club pass.



Which was in response to:
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There was a reason I bolded, italicized and underlined "2 RL teams" and used the specific word "program."

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I suppose I could have been a bit more detailed and expounded a little more in that post...
 
VanMan said:
There was a reason I bolded, italicized and underlined "2 RL teams" and used the specific word "program."

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I suppose I could have been a bit more detailed and expounded a little more in that post...
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And again - it still doesn't compute. Which 2 Slammers FC RL teams do you think cannot pull players up to the Slammers FC NL team? If you're saying that Slammers Koge RL can't pull kids up to Slammers FC NL, and Slammers FC RL can't pull kids up to Slammers Koge NL - we are all in agreement. Is that what you mean? I take TDJ's statements as there are 2 separate Slammers FC RL teams, all within the same Slammers program, that can club pass up to the NL team easily. Are there 2 Slammers FC RL teams or not?
 
TeamDadJokes said:
You’re right. Congrats.

I’ve been noticing. Also very familiar with Pats and who they’ve recruited. They’re on the up and up. Sporting scrimmaged Pats in the summer and it was a competitive match.

But to my point, these teams are still mid to low tier in the Southwest. When someone comes out saying “excuses”, well 5 of your starters being out is more of an explanation not a reason to go pounding your chest saying you’re a better team and try to troll on here.
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Good point. Pats tied Slammers 1-1.
 
RandomSoccerFan said:
And again - it still doesn't compute. Which 2 Slammers FC RL teams do you think cannot pull players up to the Slammers FC NL team? If you're saying that Slammers Koge RL can't pull kids up to Slammers FC NL, and Slammers FC RL can't pull kids up to Slammers Koge NL - we are all in agreement. Is that what you mean? I take TDJ's statements as there are 2 separate Slammers FC RL teams, all within the same Slammers program, that can club pass up to the NL team easily. Are there 2 Slammers FC RL teams or not?
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There is one "Slammers FC" team and one "Slammers FC HB Koge" team.
 
4kidssake said:
Pats vs Slammers 1-1. Are Pats really up and coming ? Or is Mojave division on a down year? Surf putting the hammer on Sharks 12-1 ouch
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I think they are on the up and up. They have a lot of good talent that were overlooked by other teams. CB from Koge NL, some RL player from Blues, Slammers RL keeper from last year, a blues player from F1 that was offered RL but didn’t make the jump last year and is now on this years OC’s PDP. Top talent that was displaced from Rebels NPL that went to Strikers E64 that helped made them successful, some Liverpool DPL players and a handful kf

Coach Miguel really did his homework over the summer and was seen at every tournament big and small scouring for the next player for this team. I’ve never seen a coach put that much work in to scouting like he did.

I’m not saying they’re going to win the Sonoran, but they’re a completely different team than what was out there last year.

What is more impressive besides the 1-1 tie was that the day before Legends was held scoreless at 0-0 against Slammers where as Pats at least got on the score board. That’s even with one of their main strikers who is still out with a clavicle fracture suffered against the Surf NL match they had when they were leading before she got injured.
 
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