Vaccine

[Grace T.]

Wartime censorship is why it was known as Spanish Flu, which I have known for at least 40 years.

You're more likely to have a successful Google search if you don't restrict yourself to looking for things you just made up. For example --

Anti-Mask League of San Francisco - Wikipedia

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As usual, you don't understand the point. There are no great poems about the 1919 pandemic, unlike WWI. There are no great novels. There are no great films (though there is an episode of Downton Abbey). There are no great works of art. In comparison to WWI, WWII, the Great Depression, the Roaring 20s and even Prohibition, it was not in the public consciousness (these article are a new phenomena resulting from corona). In the 1930s it was even less in the public consciousness than measles and/or polio, both of which were referenced in novels, films and even cartoons of the time (my older brother went through a phase when he was very little yelling out "measles, measles!" from a WB cartoon).

Wonder why? Wonder if this one will too? On the one hand, for example, movies and TV (which are set to be contemporaneous) like Cobra Kai are ignoring the pandemic and filming as if things were 2019 (though South Park did address it). On the other hand, it's gone on longer than the Spanish Flu and is linked in part to Trump.

 

[Ellejustus]

You would have to do more than say....LINK?

You know...actually contribute something.

A good start would be to actually take a position on something.

Try it sometime.

Look Hound, he has some us under our skin because were responding to his takes and he is getting views big time. Dude won;;t speak to me ever again and I still talk to him and he pisses me off with how he ended up. I thought he was going to be a Sage for me but no, he only cares for himself. He does not like kids and had a very troubled youth it looks like. He doesnt want it better for the kids and that trips us all out. The good news is 90% of our beautiful country feels the same we both do. Put the kids first. This had to happen to show us all the truth. Espola is his true self. I actually think this is helping us make a better planet, not being like this man and how he has no heart for the kids well being. Espola represents a selfish type of man that had control of this place. Not no more and thank God for his Light shinning.

 

[espola]

As usual, you don't understand the point. There are no great poems about the 1919 pandemic, unlike WWI. There are no great novels. There are no great films (though there is an episode of Downton Abbey). There are no great works of art. In comparison to WWI, WWII, the Great Depression, the Roaring 20s and even Prohibition, it was not in the public consciousness (these article are a new phenomena resulting from corona). In the 1930s it was even less in the public consciousness than measles and/or polio, both of which were referenced in novels, films and even cartoons of the time (my older brother went through a phase when he was very little yelling out "measles, measles!" from a WB cartoon).

Wonder why? Wonder if this one will too? On the one hand, for example, movies and TV (which are set to be contemporaneous) like Cobra Kai are ignoring the pandemic and filming as if things were 2019 (though South Park did address it). On the other hand, it's gone on longer than the Spanish Flu and is linked in part to Trump.

Not in the public consciousness? I didn't know you were that old.

 

[espola]

As usual, you don't understand the point. There are no great poems about the 1919 pandemic, unlike WWI. There are no great novels. There are no great films (though there is an episode of Downton Abbey). There are no great works of art. In comparison to WWI, WWII, the Great Depression, the Roaring 20s and even Prohibition, it was not in the public consciousness (these article are a new phenomena resulting from corona). In the 1930s it was even less in the public consciousness than measles and/or polio, both of which were referenced in novels, films and even cartoons of the time (my older brother went through a phase when he was very little yelling out "measles, measles!" from a WB cartoon).

Wonder why? Wonder if this one will too? On the one hand, for example, movies and TV (which are set to be contemporaneous) like Cobra Kai are ignoring the pandemic and filming as if things were 2019 (though South Park did address it). On the other hand, it's gone on longer than the Spanish Flu and is linked in part to Trump.

The title story "Pale Horse, Pale Rider" is about the relationship between a newspaper woman, Miranda, and a soldier, Adam, during the influenza epidemic of 1918. In the course of the narrative, Miranda becomes sick and delirious, but recovers, only to find that Adam has died of the disease, which he likely caught while tending to her. The story is set in Denver, Colorado. Porter herself lived for a time in Denver, where she wrote reviews for the Rocky Mountain News and was stricken with the influenza. The historian Alfred W. Crosby considered Pale Horse, Pale Rider to be such an exceptional depiction of the suffering caused by the influenza that he dedicated his book about the 1918 epidemic to Porter.

Pale Horse, Pale Rider: Three Short Novels - Wikipedia

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[espola]

The title story "Pale Horse, Pale Rider" is about the relationship between a newspaper woman, Miranda, and a soldier, Adam, during the influenza epidemic of 1918. In the course of the narrative, Miranda becomes sick and delirious, but recovers, only to find that Adam has died of the disease, which he likely caught while tending to her. The story is set in Denver, Colorado. Porter herself lived for a time in Denver, where she wrote reviews for the Rocky Mountain News and was stricken with the influenza. The historian Alfred W. Crosby considered Pale Horse, Pale Rider to be such an exceptional depiction of the suffering caused by the influenza that he dedicated his book about the 1918 epidemic to Porter.

Pale Horse, Pale Rider: Three Short Novels - Wikipedia

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The Orphan Collector: A Heroic Novel of Survival During the 1918 Influenza Pandemic (Paperback)




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From the internationally bestselling author of What She Left Behind comes a gripping and powerful tale of upheaval—a heartbreaking saga of resilience and hope perfect for fans of Beatriz Williams and Kristin Hannah—set in Philadelphia during the 1918 Spanish Flu outbreak—the deadly pandemic that went on to infect one-third of the world’s population…

“Readers will not be able to help making comparisons to the COVID-19 pandemic, and how little has changed since 1918. Wiseman has written a touching tale of loss, survival, and perseverance with some light fantastical elements. Highly recommended.”
—Booklist

 

[Grace T.]

The title story "Pale Horse, Pale Rider" is about the relationship between a newspaper woman, Miranda, and a soldier, Adam, during the influenza epidemic of 1918. In the course of the narrative, Miranda becomes sick and delirious, but recovers, only to find that Adam has died of the disease, which he likely caught while tending to her. The story is set in Denver, Colorado. Porter herself lived for a time in Denver, where she wrote reviews for the Rocky Mountain News and was stricken with the influenza. The historian Alfred W. Crosby considered Pale Horse, Pale Rider to be such an exceptional depiction of the suffering caused by the influenza that he dedicated his book about the 1918 epidemic to Porter.

Pale Horse, Pale Rider: Three Short Novels - Wikipedia

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Not exactly a well known book or in the contemporary curriculum. I can't see any reference where it was turned or attempted to be turned into a film either (particularly if it's such a great book)....unlike say All Quiet of the Western Front, Grapes of Wrath, the Godfather, or even For Whom the Bell Tolls

 

[N00B]

Dictionaries don't control the definitions of words, they document their usage. This subtle change is consistent with what is happening in our culture.

You got the point.

 

[Grace T.]

The Orphan Collector: A Heroic Novel of Survival During the 1918 Influenza Pandemic (Paperback)




By Ellen Marie Wiseman
$16.99
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From the internationally bestselling author of What She Left Behind comes a gripping and powerful tale of upheaval—a heartbreaking saga of resilience and hope perfect for fans of Beatriz Williams and Kristin Hannah—set in Philadelphia during the 1918 Spanish Flu outbreak—the deadly pandemic that went on to infect one-third of the world’s population…

“Readers will not be able to help making comparisons to the COVID-19 pandemic, and how little has changed since 1918. Wiseman has written a touching tale of loss, survival, and perseverance with some light fantastical elements. Highly recommended.”
—Booklist

You can't cite this one....it's interest (and possibly even publication) is due to COVID. It even says it in the description here : "Readers will not be able to help making comparisons....." Kinda having to scrape the bottom of the barrel to make your point.

 

[espola]

The Orphan Collector: A Heroic Novel of Survival During the 1918 Influenza Pandemic (Paperback)




By Ellen Marie Wiseman
$16.99
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From the internationally bestselling author of What She Left Behind comes a gripping and powerful tale of upheaval—a heartbreaking saga of resilience and hope perfect for fans of Beatriz Williams and Kristin Hannah—set in Philadelphia during the 1918 Spanish Flu outbreak—the deadly pandemic that went on to infect one-third of the world’s population…

“Readers will not be able to help making comparisons to the COVID-19 pandemic, and how little has changed since 1918. Wiseman has written a touching tale of loss, survival, and perseverance with some light fantastical elements. Highly recommended.”
—Booklist

Table - PMC

This review focuses on the fictional literature in which the Spanish flu is represented either as an anecdotal or as a historical aspect and the effect on the author or fictional character. We examine this sociocultural period in the press and ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[espola]

You can't cite this one....it's interest (and possibly even publication) is due to COVID. It even says it in the description here : "Readers will not be able to help making comparisons....." Kinda having to scrape the bottom of the barrel to make your point.

????

 

[espola]

Not exactly a well known book or in the contemporary curriculum. I can't see any reference where it was turned or attempted to be turned into a film either (particularly if it's such a great book)....unlike say All Quiet of the Western Front, Grapes of Wrath, the Godfather, or even For Whom the Bell Tolls

No true Scotsman - Wikipedia

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[Grace T.]

Table - PMC

This review focuses on the fictional literature in which the Spanish flu is represented either as an anecdotal or as a historical aspect and the effect on the author or fictional character. We examine this sociocultural period in the press and ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

You are digging yourself deeper into the hole and proving my point. The best known references on that list are Hemingway (bullfighting), Wolfe (an essay on illness) and Cristie (to which the flu is incidental). The biggest contemporary reference I can recall is Downton Abbey (in which the flu is the primary mechanism by which Lady Mary and Matthew Crawley finally get together)

 

[Grace T.]

No true Scotsman - Wikipedia

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This isn't a no true scotsman. You are citing poor references in comparison to the great works on the other side. The list you produced is laughable to prove the point and in fact proves the opposite. You are painting yourself deeper into the corner.

 

[Grace T.]

Wow CNN....the panic porn news network...is even coming around if they dare published even 5% of the team reality stuff.....

'We can't vaccinate the planet every six months,' says Oxford vaccine scientist | CNN

A leading expert who helped create the Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine said Tuesday that giving everyone in the world booster shots multiple times a year is not feasible.

www.cnn.com

 

[Kicker 2.0]

We’ll this seems to have changed ‘updated’ recently.

Definition of ANTI-VAXXER

a person who opposes the use of some or all vaccines, regulations mandating vaccination, or usually both; often, specifically : a parent who opposes having his or her child vaccinated —often used before another noun… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Guess you can control the conversation better when you redefine the words.

Also changed the definition of Vaccine since the newest doesn’t provide immunity to the disease it is intended for.

 

[espola]

This isn't a no true scotsman. You are citing poor references in comparison to the great works on the other side. The list you produced is laughable to prove the point and in fact proves the opposite. You are painting yourself deeper into the corner.

I looks like you are deeply infected with the "no true Scotsman" disorder since you are even applying it in your rebuttals.

 

[espola]

Also changed the definition of Vaccine since the newest doesn’t provide immunity to the disease it is intended for.

What was the old definition?

 

[watfly]

This thread has gone on a lot of tangents, but I never thought it would turn into Oprah's Book Club.

 

[Ellejustus]

I looks like you are deeply infected with the "no true Scotsman" disorder since you are even applying it in your rebuttals.

 

[Kicker 2.0]

What was the old definition?

Look it up…..

 

[Hüsker Dü]

A lot of it is being driven by the teachers' unions. I'm not sure why teachers' get special treatment when we have people in food service working in person with much greater risk. Apparently, teachers are not essential workers, I hope we remember that when their contracts come up for renewal.

So my DD and wife both have CoVid right now. DD is better after two days but really was never sick. Slight cough and a fever was all she got. My wife is on day 2 and in bed with more severe symptoms. For some reason I have not gotten sick yet and also tested negative.

Just so you know. I got the first two doses but no booster. My wife has the booster. My DD has the first two doses. This is reminiscent of a bad cold going around our household. My wife usually gets sicker than all of us.

Everyone around me is positive except me. No one more than the sniffles, headache slight cough. All vaxxed with boosters. 83 year old mother in law same symptoms. Testing is a pain.