Vaccine
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Symptomatic infection is a poor proxy for transmission, unless you are correcting for duration of transmissibility.
Without that correction, you significantly overstate the risk from any group which recovers quickly.
Agree, but for these purposes it's all we have. "significantly" is a statement currently lacking evidence as several variables are at play including peak viral load, average viral load, incubation period, asymptomatic period, vaccine efficiency (one which we know is not good), and length of illness. If the reduction is 7 to 5 days it won't make much of a difference. Besides, the biggest problem for respiratory infections is at the beginning of the illness: sure there are assholes who go out sick deliberately because what they have to do is too important in their minds (and/or they think masks will protect people)....but the greatest danger is either at the beginning of the infection (when people have a tendency to think they might not be getting sick or have allergies or just convince themselves they are fine) and at the end of the infection (when people through medication or just fluctuations may have convinced themselves they are fine now)...not the middle (where they are generally in bed...except of course in hospital/nursing home settings hence my moderna concern). Also remember a reduction from R10 to R 6 isn't as significant as a reduction from R4 to R1.
It isn’t “all we have”.
There are plenty of people studying the impact of vaccines on transmission. Why not use those results?
Declaring the existence of a poor proxy, and using it anyway, makes no sense.
That isn’t in yet and in any case as I showed you the variables are tricky since there are multiple ones and you have to screen out for a ton of other factors including changes in human behavior
policy can’t wait for us to come to the “correct” exact number. Sometimes, as captain sulley so famously pointed out, you have to eyeball it. That’s what policy is all about (it’s messy not virtuous)
In honor of the new year, reflecting on the pandemic so far:
-member when they told us China had the problem well in hand and it likely wouldn’t be an issue here? Member when trump told us not to worry about it in the state of the union?
-member when they said it wasn’t airborne? Then it wasn’t aerosolized?
-member when we all rushed out to buy water?
-member when they told us not to buy masks and then changed their minds?
-member when they told us it would be over in 2 weeks?
-member when they told us it was a conspiracy theory to say it was a lab leak?
-member when we were all wiping things down?
-member when they made us wear masks outdoors?
-member when they closed the beaches and trails? Member when nobody cared if everyone got fat in lockdown? Member when you couldn’t even sit down on a beach and had to pretend to exercise?
-member when they closed the schools? Member when they told us they would reopen in the fall? Member when they said they wouldn’t close schools again?
-member when they said it would be over by summer?
-member when they said seasonality wasn’t a thing?
-member when they were afraid the children would all die?
-member when they said hospitalized from Covid instead of with wasn’t a thing?
-member when they said medicines would be available shortly and before vaccines? Member hdq? Member ivermectin?
-member when they said it would be over once trump was defeated?
-member when they said inflation was transitory?
-member when they thought they could control the virus?
-member when they said it would be over when the elderly vaxxed?
-member when all the politicians told us to do one thing and did another?
-member when they didn’t want us to go to church but then the health experts said protests were ok?
-member when they said it would be over when everyone vaxxed?
-member when we thought herd immunity was a thing? Member when the percentage kept moving up?
-member when Biden said he’d shut down the virus not the economy?
-member when we all thought cloth masks worked and were cool?
-member when we thought travel ban could keep the virus and variants out?
-member when they said it would be over by the 4th of July?
-member when they said the vaxxed couldn’t transmit it?
-member when they said the vaxxed didn’t need to mask then masked everyone up again?
-member when they said boosters would do the trick? Member when we were only on 1 booster?
-member when everyone thought 2021 would be better than 2020?
-member when they paid everyone not to work and then we’re stunned when people didn’t want to work?
-member when they said it would be over when the children were vaxxed?
-member? Good times. Good times.
-member when they told us China had the problem well in hand and it likely wouldn’t be an issue here? Member when trump told us not to worry about it in the state of the union?
-member when they said it wasn’t airborne? Then it wasn’t aerosolized?
-member when we all rushed out to buy water?
-member when they told us not to buy masks and then changed their minds?
-member when they told us it would be over in 2 weeks?
-member when they told us it was a conspiracy theory to say it was a lab leak?
-member when we were all wiping things down?
-member when they made us wear masks outdoors?
-member when they closed the beaches and trails? Member when nobody cared if everyone got fat in lockdown? Member when you couldn’t even sit down on a beach and had to pretend to exercise?
-member when they closed the schools? Member when they told us they would reopen in the fall? Member when they said they wouldn’t close schools again?
-member when they said it would be over by summer?
-member when they said seasonality wasn’t a thing?
-member when they were afraid the children would all die?
-member when they said hospitalized from Covid instead of with wasn’t a thing?
-member when they said medicines would be available shortly and before vaccines? Member hdq? Member ivermectin?
-member when they said it would be over once trump was defeated?
-member when they said inflation was transitory?
-member when they thought they could control the virus?
-member when they said it would be over when the elderly vaxxed?
-member when all the politicians told us to do one thing and did another?
-member when they didn’t want us to go to church but then the health experts said protests were ok?
-member when they said it would be over when everyone vaxxed?
-member when we thought herd immunity was a thing? Member when the percentage kept moving up?
-member when Biden said he’d shut down the virus not the economy?
-member when we all thought cloth masks worked and were cool?
-member when we thought travel ban could keep the virus and variants out?
-member when they said it would be over by the 4th of July?
-member when they said the vaxxed couldn’t transmit it?
-member when they said the vaxxed didn’t need to mask then masked everyone up again?
-member when they said boosters would do the trick? Member when we were only on 1 booster?
-member when everyone thought 2021 would be better than 2020?
-member when they paid everyone not to work and then we’re stunned when people didn’t want to work?
-member when they said it would be over when the children were vaxxed?
-member? Good times. Good times.
“Oh Magoo old boy you’ve done it again!” Note this isn’t an ad because under your definition I’m mostly commenting on the nature and history of your posts, not your character
stings doesn’t it seeing it all laid out? How many were you…90%? It’s more of a commentary of the general stupidity of it all (plenty of trumps in there…should have added “member when we all thought this was just the flu”). I can’t help it though if the covidians have much more stupidity up there than anyone else.
I'm still trying to figure out your t-cell post.
Any studies being done to gauge transmission on those who have had Covid but have never been vaccinated?
"I got the two guys on to talk about what is happening to our children. In particular, the psychological damage of these lockdowns, this mask use, the school policy, the bullying of children who are unvaccinated and the psychological damage is huge!!!" Dr. Robert
My dd turned 18 this morning at 8:41am. I am so proud of her you guys, you have no idea. Karma is working out the way I knew it would and we see a light at the end of the tunnel. First, she was DENIED entry to the United States Girls Soccer Development Academy League because she went to public High School and dared to play High School Soccer. She was told if you do it, you will not be allowed entry into the USGDA and that was true. Secondly, she and her old man were also warned to STFU or else be listed as a trouble maker and one who asks too many questions when things seem off. Then the Plandemic came and she was robbed of her last two years of her life, as were all the other kids who live on the planet. 16-18 is glory years folks, no matter what Espola says. Those years will not come back either and some adults on this planet will have some explaining to do. Thirdly, no jab, no entry to soccer here in da states at the next level. Talk about being locked out again. You can;t make this shit up and it's been tough on her, I won;t lie. The kid just wanted to play soccer matches. However, we do our best as a family to be there for her. Lastly, any parent raising a teenager these last few years knows it has been a big challenge for all involved. The Master Teachers of the Universe have been training many for the future of this planet and I now see it. This is all been one big blessing of being disciplined from what the cheaters & liars have done to us and the kids and how to let Karma finish the rest off. The Fearsome Foursome is alive and well and ready for another day.
My dd turned 18 this morning at 8:41am. I am so proud of her you guys, you have no idea. Karma is working out the way I knew it would and we see a light at the end of the tunnel. First, she was DENIED entry to the United States Girls Soccer Development Academy League because she went to public High School and dared to play High School Soccer. She was told if you do it, you will not be allowed entry into the USGDA and that was true. Secondly, she and her old man were also warned to STFU or else be listed as a trouble maker and one who asks too many questions when things seem off. Then the Plandemic came and she was robbed of her last two years of her life, as were all the other kids who live on the planet. 16-18 is glory years folks, no matter what Espola says. Those years will not come back either and some adults on this planet will have some explaining to do. Thirdly, no jab, no entry to soccer here in da states at the next level. Talk about being locked out again. You can;t make this shit up and it's been tough on her, I won;t lie. The kid just wanted to play soccer matches. However, we do our best as a family to be there for her. Lastly, any parent raising a teenager these last few years knows it has been a big challenge for all involved. The Master Teachers of the Universe have been training many for the future of this planet and I now see it. This is all been one big blessing of being disciplined from what the cheaters & liars have done to us and the kids and how to let Karma finish the rest off. The Fearsome Foursome is alive and well and ready for another day.
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Yes. They do study second infections, including the probability that a reinfected person will then transmit.
The answer is not going to be that earlier variants make you immune to transmitting Omicron. South Africa already made that clear. It probably just improves the odds, same as the vax.
So my DD and wife both have CoVid right now. DD is better after two days but really was never sick. Slight cough and a fever was all she got. My wife is on day 2 and in bed with more severe symptoms. For some reason I have not gotten sick yet and also tested negative.
Just so you know. I got the first two doses but no booster. My wife has the booster. My DD has the first two doses. This is reminiscent of a bad cold going around our household. My wife usually gets sicker than all of us.
Just so you know. I got the first two doses but no booster. My wife has the booster. My DD has the first two doses. This is reminiscent of a bad cold going around our household. My wife usually gets sicker than all of us.
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Last year, the union claimed that the "push to reopen schools is rooted in sexism, racism, and misogyny." But studies have shown that black and Latino students have been disproportionately harmed by school closures.
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Chicago Teachers Prepare To Strike Over Return to Classroom - Washington Free Beacon
Chicago teachers are preparing to strike over what they say are unsafe working conditions caused by a spike in coronavirus cases.
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Desert Hound
DA
I swear when we look back on this time some years from now we will laugh and shake our heads much like we do when we see drawings of what they did in the past that were equally as ineffective.
All will go well for all us soon. Thanks for sharing the truth about your family bro. Were all in these together, jab or no jab. I honestly do not care if you wear a mask to feel safer. By the way Mars, what did you do when you turned 18? I will share what I did if you share first. Cool? Anyone else want to share what they did on their 18th bday?
This is a step in the right direction but two years late. So many of us on here so what was going on with "died with Covid" and "died because of covid." We all know now that no kids died because they contacted the Covid and then just had a heart attack and died. No way!!! We do know of kids who got the jab and then died because of the jab or got Myocarditis or Bells Palsy and lost the use of half their face. That is a fact. It's good to see NY changing the story of the truth.
NY makes major adjustment to COVID hospitalization reporting during omicron surge
Gov. Hochul says she wants to 'always be honest with New Yorkers about how bad this is'
"So we're looking at a critical moment, but we're going to start asking some questions. We talked about the hospitalizations. I have always wondered, we're looking at the hospitalizations of people testing positive in a hospital," Democratic Gov. Kathy Hochul said Monday. "Is that person in the hospital because of COVID or did they show up there and are routinely tested and showing positive and they may have been asymptomatic or even just had the sniffles."
"Someone is in a car accident, they go to the emergency room, they test positive for COVID while they're there. They're not there being treated for COVID."
Hospitals must now clarify if patients with the virus came to the hospital due to symptoms of COVID or because of some other ailment.
((Remember this two years ago? Car accident dude comes into ER on life support and dies in the hospital? Then they tested him with the fake PCR test and dude was counted as a Covid death? We all remember. This is how folks lie to make buck and get what they want)).
NY makes major adjustment to COVID hospitalization reporting during omicron surge
Gov. Hochul says she wants to 'always be honest with New Yorkers about how bad this is'
"So we're looking at a critical moment, but we're going to start asking some questions. We talked about the hospitalizations. I have always wondered, we're looking at the hospitalizations of people testing positive in a hospital," Democratic Gov. Kathy Hochul said Monday. "Is that person in the hospital because of COVID or did they show up there and are routinely tested and showing positive and they may have been asymptomatic or even just had the sniffles."
"Someone is in a car accident, they go to the emergency room, they test positive for COVID while they're there. They're not there being treated for COVID."
Hospitals must now clarify if patients with the virus came to the hospital due to symptoms of COVID or because of some other ailment.
((Remember this two years ago? Car accident dude comes into ER on life support and dies in the hospital? Then they tested him with the fake PCR test and dude was counted as a Covid death? We all remember. This is how folks lie to make buck and get what they want)).
Thanks….