Vaccine

Despite searching on google, I have yet to find the "Ode to the Anti-Mask League".


1. Your article partially answers the memory-hole issue: wartime censorship.
2. Your article points out part of the problem but then fails to address it: fatigue. The fatigue mentioned in 1919 was after less than a year of restrictions. We are going on 2. It just handwaives the issue away with a "suck it up and stop being selfish" message.
3. Your article points out part of the problem comparing 1919 to now: the virus whipped through vulnerable populations and became endemic. One of the things our measures might have done is just postponed certain deaths. The true measure of what we saved would be people who are vaccinated and whose lives were otherwise spared because of the vaccine but that's not, as dad 4 blithely like to claim, everyone who died of corona.
4. This is democracy. The public has some input on the cost/benefit of measures. Public officials in a democracy don't get to ignore those preferences because they think they know better. When they do, as Virginia pointed out, there are consequences.

Wartime censorship is why it was known as Spanish Flu, which I have known for at least 40 years.

You're more likely to have a successful Google search if you don't restrict yourself to looking for things you just made up. For example --

 
We’ll this seems to have changed ‘updated’ recently.


Guess you can control the conversation better when you redefine the words.
 
As for this being exclusively a YOUTH soccer forum, I disagree.
You know what, this is the best take of the year so far for you Espola. You seem like a human and not a weirdo. Look, I know I came on here in my roll as crazy father who was pissed off that his kid got snubbed and pushed aside by the snobs and all those who had power and wanted her to influence their new league and not HSS. She was bad for business for that failed league and I get that now. The things people throw at you when you leave a club or question their integrity, is insane. I had shit thrown in my face many times and I don;t like that. I had threats thrown at my face as well as on this forum and I don't like that either and I won't put up with that anymore. I put you on notice pal. My dd was told under no circumstance could she play HSS at all if she wants her dream fulfilled. What bastards!!! I am being kind today too :) Speak the truth folks before you get blocked, censored or worse......!!!! These guys, dads, or whatever we call them really did a number on lots of kiddos. Lying to a 13 year old girl with a dream is wrong and Karma coming. I share all this Espola with hopes you stop ignoring ((censoring me and telling others I am on medication and I'm a moron and a stupid father)) me once and for all and debate me like a real man on the issues of today. Happy New Years to you!!!
 
We’ll this seems to have changed ‘updated’ recently.


Guess you can control the conversation better when you redefine the words.

Dictionaries don't control the definitions of words, they document their usage. This subtle change is consistent with what is happening in our culture.

Word etymologies can be an interesting topic. Consider the history of the usage of words such as "silly" or "gay".

 
Wartime censorship is why it was known as Spanish Flu, which I have known for at least 40 years.

You're more likely to have a successful Google search if you don't restrict yourself to looking for things you just made up. For example --


As usual, you don't understand the point. There are no great poems about the 1919 pandemic, unlike WWI. There are no great novels. There are no great films (though there is an episode of Downton Abbey). There are no great works of art. In comparison to WWI, WWII, the Great Depression, the Roaring 20s and even Prohibition, it was not in the public consciousness (these article are a new phenomena resulting from corona). In the 1930s it was even less in the public consciousness than measles and/or polio, both of which were referenced in novels, films and even cartoons of the time (my older brother went through a phase when he was very little yelling out "measles, measles!" from a WB cartoon).

Wonder why? Wonder if this one will too? On the one hand, for example, movies and TV (which are set to be contemporaneous) like Cobra Kai are ignoring the pandemic and filming as if things were 2019 (though South Park did address it). On the other hand, it's gone on longer than the Spanish Flu and is linked in part to Trump.
 
You would have to do more than say....LINK?

You know...actually contribute something.

A good start would be to actually take a position on something.

Try it sometime.
Look Hound, he has some us under our skin because were responding to his takes and he is getting views big time. Dude won;;t speak to me ever again and I still talk to him and he pisses me off with how he ended up. I thought he was going to be a Sage for me but no, he only cares for himself. He does not like kids and had a very troubled youth it looks like. He doesnt want it better for the kids and that trips us all out. The good news is 90% of our beautiful country feels the same we both do. Put the kids first. This had to happen to show us all the truth. Espola is his true self. I actually think this is helping us make a better planet, not being like this man and how he has no heart for the kids well being. Espola represents a selfish type of man that had control of this place. Not no more and thank God for his Light shinning.
 
As usual, you don't understand the point. There are no great poems about the 1919 pandemic, unlike WWI. There are no great novels. There are no great films (though there is an episode of Downton Abbey). There are no great works of art. In comparison to WWI, WWII, the Great Depression, the Roaring 20s and even Prohibition, it was not in the public consciousness (these article are a new phenomena resulting from corona). In the 1930s it was even less in the public consciousness than measles and/or polio, both of which were referenced in novels, films and even cartoons of the time (my older brother went through a phase when he was very little yelling out "measles, measles!" from a WB cartoon).

Wonder why? Wonder if this one will too? On the one hand, for example, movies and TV (which are set to be contemporaneous) like Cobra Kai are ignoring the pandemic and filming as if things were 2019 (though South Park did address it). On the other hand, it's gone on longer than the Spanish Flu and is linked in part to Trump.

Not in the public consciousness? I didn't know you were that old.
 
As usual, you don't understand the point. There are no great poems about the 1919 pandemic, unlike WWI. There are no great novels. There are no great films (though there is an episode of Downton Abbey). There are no great works of art. In comparison to WWI, WWII, the Great Depression, the Roaring 20s and even Prohibition, it was not in the public consciousness (these article are a new phenomena resulting from corona). In the 1930s it was even less in the public consciousness than measles and/or polio, both of which were referenced in novels, films and even cartoons of the time (my older brother went through a phase when he was very little yelling out "measles, measles!" from a WB cartoon).

Wonder why? Wonder if this one will too? On the one hand, for example, movies and TV (which are set to be contemporaneous) like Cobra Kai are ignoring the pandemic and filming as if things were 2019 (though South Park did address it). On the other hand, it's gone on longer than the Spanish Flu and is linked in part to Trump.

The title story "Pale Horse, Pale Rider" is about the relationship between a newspaper woman, Miranda, and a soldier, Adam, during the influenza epidemic of 1918. In the course of the narrative, Miranda becomes sick and delirious, but recovers, only to find that Adam has died of the disease, which he likely caught while tending to her. The story is set in Denver, Colorado. Porter herself lived for a time in Denver, where she wrote reviews for the Rocky Mountain News and was stricken with the influenza. The historian Alfred W. Crosby considered Pale Horse, Pale Rider to be such an exceptional depiction of the suffering caused by the influenza that he dedicated his book about the 1918 epidemic to Porter.

 
The title story "Pale Horse, Pale Rider" is about the relationship between a newspaper woman, Miranda, and a soldier, Adam, during the influenza epidemic of 1918. In the course of the narrative, Miranda becomes sick and delirious, but recovers, only to find that Adam has died of the disease, which he likely caught while tending to her. The story is set in Denver, Colorado. Porter herself lived for a time in Denver, where she wrote reviews for the Rocky Mountain News and was stricken with the influenza. The historian Alfred W. Crosby considered Pale Horse, Pale Rider to be such an exceptional depiction of the suffering caused by the influenza that he dedicated his book about the 1918 epidemic to Porter.


The Orphan Collector: A Heroic Novel of Survival During the 1918 Influenza Pandemic (Paperback)

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The title story "Pale Horse, Pale Rider" is about the relationship between a newspaper woman, Miranda, and a soldier, Adam, during the influenza epidemic of 1918. In the course of the narrative, Miranda becomes sick and delirious, but recovers, only to find that Adam has died of the disease, which he likely caught while tending to her. The story is set in Denver, Colorado. Porter herself lived for a time in Denver, where she wrote reviews for the Rocky Mountain News and was stricken with the influenza. The historian Alfred W. Crosby considered Pale Horse, Pale Rider to be such an exceptional depiction of the suffering caused by the influenza that he dedicated his book about the 1918 epidemic to Porter.


Not exactly a well known book or in the contemporary curriculum. I can't see any reference where it was turned or attempted to be turned into a film either (particularly if it's such a great book)....unlike say All Quiet of the Western Front, Grapes of Wrath, the Godfather, or even For Whom the Bell Tolls
 
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You can't cite this one....it's interest (and possibly even publication) is due to COVID. It even says it in the description here : "Readers will not be able to help making comparisons....." Kinda having to scrape the bottom of the barrel to make your point.
 
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“Readers will not be able to help making comparisons to the COVID-19 pandemic, and how little has changed since 1918. Wiseman has written a touching tale of loss, survival, and perseverance with some light fantastical elements. Highly recommended.”
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You can't cite this one....it's interest (and possibly even publication) is due to COVID. It even says it in the description here : "Readers will not be able to help making comparisons....." Kinda having to scrape the bottom of the barrel to make your point.

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You are digging yourself deeper into the hole and proving my point. The best known references on that list are Hemingway (bullfighting), Wolfe (an essay on illness) and Cristie (to which the flu is incidental). The biggest contemporary reference I can recall is Downton Abbey (in which the flu is the primary mechanism by which Lady Mary and Matthew Crawley finally get together)
 
We’ll this seems to have changed ‘updated’ recently.


Guess you can control the conversation better when you redefine the words.
Also changed the definition of Vaccine since the newest doesn’t provide immunity to the disease it is intended for.
 
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