But they would if everyone would just comply!
It's pretty simple actually, to quote Colorado's governor:
"Those who get sick, it's almost entirely their own darn fault,"
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It's pretty simple actually, to quote Colorado's governor:
"Those who get sick, it's almost entirely their own darn fault,"
You’re arguing that the mountain doesn’t exist because the trail goes downhill.
Look behind you. It’s still there.
Still clinging to COVID zero I see.
Hüsker Dü
DA
And there it is in plain words.
A critique of how health experts have handled the pandemic, published by center for infectious disease research and policy, university of minnesota. It actually reads like a critique of a lot of the things dad4 and the other covidians stand for. I especially like section 3 on fake consensus: the 80% establishment rules something must be true, 20% disagree, the vocal 2% minority are considered by the 80% cranks. Section 5, prioritizing health over truth, is another one of my favorites. It's a good critique, and some of us have been saying a lot of this here for a while now.
www.cidrap.umn.edu
COMMENTARY: 8 things US pandemic communicators still get wrong
Hüsker Dü
DA
Because of their own actions or the actions of someone they come in close contact with. So yes, if one takes all the precautions yet doesn’t screen all those they come in close contact with, and catches the virus from one of them, it is “their own darn fault.” And of course the vaccinated can pass the virus amongst themselves they just have a much better chance of milder symptoms and ultimate survival.
Not quite. Omicron is covid and may be able to survive in a vaxxed and masked population. It may not do much damage, though.
Delta, on the other hand, is absolutely being kept alive by the anti-vax, anti-mask crowd. It’s also doing the most damage, primarily to that same crowd.
I’m waiting for someone to point out that masks and other NPI are helpful because they give omicron the edge over delta. It’s probably true, but I can’t imagine anyone important saying it.
It may be the converse is true. London is now close to 50% omicron and it's pushing out the Delta (as the omicron did to Beta in South Africa prior). if so, particularly among the vaxxed and the healthy, you might want them to go out and catch it. NPIs would only prolong, not preclude, everyone catching omicron. So far only 1 recorded death in the UK...we don't know the circumstances.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
He also said epidemiologists would recommend masks year-round to protect us from flu, etc. AND it's not the government's job to mandate people to do that any more than it is to tell them to put their coats on when it's cold outside.
Desert Hound
DA
Again no basis in reality. You have billions of people who have yet to get a single shot.
They are not anti vax or anti max. They live in poor/corrupt countries.
And yet you think...hey it is the unvaxxed in CA or the US keeping the virus around. Sorry dad. This is global and billions dont have a vax, will not get a vax anytime soon, etc.
Fantasy land on your part. Par for the course.
It's called logic and common sense.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
You are arguing that even though we are going downhill, we are going uphill.
Sounds clever but I'm not sure what that means. It still sounds like your kicking the can down the road, again. AKA "Wait it could get worse". How long should we be waiting for it get worse? Are you not getting tired carrying those goalposts on your back?
There is not much potential left for uphill. We have a few holiday cases in the future. Not too long after that, delta gets squeezed out by omicron. If it is uphill, it is the foothill on your way down the mountain.
Hüsker Dü
DA
Always goes back to seatbelts.
I don’t see it getting worse. If I thought it would get worse, I would not believe that Newsom’s mask mandate will be over on Jan 16.
I do believe the current thousand deaths per day was completely unnecessary. But I do not believe we will see a thousand deaths per day this summer.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
Non-epidemiologist: If the number of cases is going down despite packed stadiums, how is it that packed stadiums are high risk?
Epidemiologist: It's because we had so many prior cases there's not much potential left
Non-epidemiologist: But you predicted cases would spike.
Epidemiologist: That's because we didn't know there wasn't much potential left.
Non-epidemiologist: So, how will you know in the future if an activity will produce a spike in cases?
Epidemiologist: After the activity, if there's a spike, there was potential left. If no spike, there wasn't any left.
I don’t think anyone believes that stadiums alone can predict spikes while ignoring bars, restaurants, casinos, workplaces, private gatherings, and everything else.
You’re putting words in someone else’s mouth, and then complaining that they are wrong.
Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't you the one that made the supposition that full stadiums leads to full hospitals?
Desert Hound
DA
And yet you blame...
- people not vaxxed
- people not using a mask
- bars/restaurants is your go to.
The reality?
- Billions are not vaxxed and will not be any time soon
- The vaxxed are vaxxed for the Alpha variant. The vax isn't very good at stopping them from spreading or getting the Delta variant. It appears even less effective with the O.
- So you have vaccines that are increasingly LESS helpful vs new variants
- People are social and will hang out at work, with friends, etc.
And yet you cling to the belief this is continuing because of anti mask or anti vax people. Completely ignoring the reality of the above.
The early numbers our of South Africa (instead of the in lab propaganda Pfizer is spreading) seems to indicate effectiveness against disease from a 2 shot Pfizer regimen is low 30% against the omicron. No data yet on boosters since they haven't boosted much in South Africa. There's also a decline against severe disease to about 70% (which means the omicron might in fact just be less severe than the delta). Nothing hard published yet...just various SA docs shooting the s on twitter.