Vaccine

watfly said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't you the one that made the supposition that full stadiums leads to full hospitals?
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You’re wrong. Full stadiums are one of the many mistakes which are causing full hospitals in some states.

I am not arguing that stadiums are the only cause of covid transmission, and you are not arguing that stadiums are the only thing we should open. We are both using stadiums as an example.
 
dad4 said:
Most of it is pretty clear by now.

It’s a respiratory virus that spreads in indoor spaces and is dangerous mostly to older and overweight people. If infected and unvaccinated, odds of death are less than 1%, but greater than 0.1%. We have vaccines that reduce your odds of deaths by 90% or more, and reduce transmission by something less than that. Masks reduce transmission, but simply being outside is considerably more effective. Being indoors in crowded spaces increases transmission, especially if you are unmasked and talking or singing.

None of this is in serious dispute.

Which leaves people like hound just denying basic facts, like whether covid spreads well in bars. And you have multiple people arguing things like “well of course that would save lives. But we aren’t going to do it, and you can’t make us. So there.”
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Here we go with the vaccines...Yes, vaccines do help. It's also obvious that vaccines aren't a cure all. As we better understand this virus, it's becoming more clear that vaccines aren't the only way to go about this. Early intervention is almost non-existent. Why? We certainly have the means, the minds, and the tools for early treatment. Early treatment likely would have saved thousands and thousands of lives. Instead hopitals have become places where people go to die. Shame on the corporate medical community for telling people to stay home and hope their disease doesn't progress. We've taken a giant step back in care. You should be outraged at how bad science and medicine has failed you.

Of course respiratory viruses spread in bars. If you are high risk, don't go. If you have immunity and are healthy go. You have choices.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
Too bad they arenʻt packed with nurses that were exercising their rights to due process before our tyrannical government took away their right to be free from cruel and unusual punishment.
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Hey we are going to fire you for not taking a shot that isn't terribly good at stopping infection or spread of the delta virus and even worse vs O

Make sense?

No
 
what-happened said:
Here we go with the vaccines...Yes, vaccines do help. It's also obvious that vaccines aren't a cure all. As we better understand this virus, it's becoming more clear that vaccines aren't the only way to go about this. Early intervention is almost non-existent. Why? We certainly have the means, the minds, and the tools for early treatment. Early treatment likely would have saved thousands and thousands of lives. Instead hopitals have become places where people go to die. Shame on the corporate medical community for telling people to stay home and hope their disease doesn't progress. We've taken a giant step back in care. You should be outraged at how bad science and medicine has failed you.

Of course respiratory viruses spread in bars. If you are high risk, don't go. If you have immunity and are healthy go. You have choices.
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So all or nothing or your not in and it seems you are confusing “science and medicine”with what those that hold the purse strings were willing to finance. In that case a line was drawn in the sand and more people died due to Covid or not having access to care due to financial restrictions.
 
dad4 said:
You’re wrong. Full stadiums are one of the many mistakes which are causing full hospitals in some states.

I am not arguing that stadiums are the only cause of covid transmission, and you are not arguing that stadiums are the only thing we should open. We are both using stadiums as an example.
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In short, stadiums have airflow or they donʻt. Paraphrasing Husker is hilarious.
 
Hey hurry up and get a shot because of omicron.

Wait? It isn't very effective?

Wait? It is soon to be the dominant variant?

Why vax mandates/passports? The logic?

My theory is this variation came about while someone was drinking a wonderful IPA at a brewpub.


Dec. 13 (UPI) -- British researchers announced on Monday that studies show that the COVID-19 vaccines made by Pfizer and AstraZeneca produce substantially fewer antibodies to fight off the Omicron variant than they do against other variants.

The study from Oxford University said blood samples collected from more than two dozen volunteers who'd received both doses of the vaccines were tested against the Omicron variant.

Oxford University, which helped develop the AstraZeneca vaccine, said the study found that both vaccines showed a "substantial decrease in neutralizing" Omicron.

"This will likely lead to increased breakthrough infections in previously infected or double vaccinated individuals, which could drive a further wave of infection, although there is currently no evidence of increased potential to cause severe disease, hospitalization or death," said the report, posted in the journal MedRxiv.
 
I wonder if this is the same type of "expert" class who is in charge of creating covid policies/plans?


Note the number of tornadoes and then note the pronouncement from the head of FEMA.

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Hüsker Dü said:
So all or nothing or your not in and it seems you are confusing “science and medicine”with what those that hold the purse strings were willing to finance. In that case a line was drawn in the sand and more people died due to Covid or not having access to care due to financial restrictions.
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Do you reread your posts before hitting " Enter ".
 
Desert Hound said:
dad either won't read that, or ignore because it is on twitter.

Won't actually think through the implications of what is being pointed out.

By the way...look at the hospital chart in there dad.
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I certainly agree with him that “the extremely anemic response in the entire world outside of Asia and Oceania guaranteed failure”.

I’m not sure you follow what the sentence means. He isn’t saying that more of us should have gone out for pizza and beer in June 2020.
 
dad4 said:
I certainly agree with him that “the extremely anemic response in the entire world outside of Asia and Oceania guaranteed failure”.

I’m not sure you follow what the sentence means. He isn’t saying that more of us should have gone out for pizza and beer in June 2020.
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China/Fauci/DNC = Covid 19
Covid 19 = Destruction of Trump Economy
Destruction of Trump Economy = Stolen Election
Stolen Election = Sniffer Joe/Camelho
SnifferJoe/Camelho = Vaccine Mandates
Vaccine Mandates = 255,369 + DEAD in 9 months of 2021

If Vaccines worked why so many DEAD ?

“In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”
 
Hüsker Dü said:
So all or nothing or your not in and it seems you are confusing “science and medicine”with what those that hold the purse strings were willing to finance. In that case a line was drawn in the sand and more people died due to Covid or not having access to care due to financial restrictions.
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Youʻre babbling.
 
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