Vaccine

Desert Hound said:
Sorry dad.

www.theatlantic.com

The Downsides of Masking Young Students Are Real

The educational cost of face coverings is far better established than the benefits of mandates.
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Was this the part you were thinking of?

"Newly released results from a large trial in rural Bangladesh found that the widespread use of surgical masks by adults yields a significant reduction in the spread of symptomatic COVID-19."

It's from your article. Glad to hear that you're now on board with surgical masks for adults.
 
dad4 said:
More overblown rhetoric. You love to say “THIS IS THE LAST STRAW!!!! IT’S GONNA BE WAR!!!!”

Threaten violence if you don’t get your way. It’s the right wing lunatic version of “no justice, no peace.”.

Seriously, what are you going to do? Drive to the capitol, form a mob, and try to lynch Mike Pence again?
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Your collectivist bent is showing.
 
Grace T. said:
I’m not threatening anything. I’m analyzing what’s going on. And I did tell you back then there would be violence from the right and I nailed that.

and yeah the rs will not live in a country where the courts allowthe federal govt to mandate via executive order anything this broad in defiance of what the individual states do. It’s the same for the ds if trump had ordered California and New York to open. Fortunately for the rs (and the survival of the republic) the rs control the courts right now.
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I knew Dadspola a facist from the get go. You can see the desperate rhetoric he spews. Kinda like:

“We need to start looking at the choice to remain unvaccinated the same as we look at driving while intoxicated,” she told CNN’s Chris Cuomo Thursday night. “You have the option to not get vaccinated if you want, but then you can’t go out in public.”

Wen elaborated that society has an “obligation to prevent” the unvaccinated from leaving their homes and infecting others, in the same way that society has an obligation to deter drunk drivers.

“The vaccinated should not have to pay the price for the so-called choices of the unvaccinated anymore,” she continued.
 
dad4 said:
Where do you see any fully vaccinated community with R above 1?

The closest example I can find is Martha’s Vineyard. 95% adult vax rate. Cases slowly declining ever since the Obama case spike. That means R slightly below 1. not growing.

I think what we are seeing is that delta spreads just fine from the unvaccinated to the vaccinated. That does not mean delta case numbers can grow within a vacinated population.
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Still ignoring the Science that shows a robust immune system protected millions of infected folks pre-vax.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
I knew Dadspola a facist from the get go. You can see the desperate rhetoric he spews. Kinda like:

“We need to start looking at the choice to remain unvaccinated the same as we look at driving while intoxicated,” she told CNN’s Chris Cuomo Thursday night. “You have the option to not get vaccinated if you want, but then you can’t go out in public.”

Wen elaborated that society has an “obligation to prevent” the unvaccinated from leaving their homes and infecting others, in the same way that society has an obligation to deter drunk drivers.

“The vaccinated should not have to pay the price for the so-called choices of the unvaccinated anymore,” she continued.
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The scary thing for him will turn out to be if the uk authorities turn out to be right and the only way out is through natural infection. That means it’s people like him that are prolonging this by avoiding catching the virus while in high vaccinated immunity. Maybe then it flips and those of us living our lives have the right to grow impatient with him. Maybe even forcefully stripping his Mask off.
 
Grace T. said:
The scary thing for him will turn out to be if the uk authorities turn out to be right and the only way out is through natural infection. That means it’s people like him that are prolonging this by avoiding catching the virus while in high vaccinated immunity. Maybe then it flips and those of us living our lives have the right to grow impatient with him. Maybe even forcefully stripping his Mask off.
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Denying people their right to strengthen their immune systems, through natural infection, is evil and cowardly.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
Still ignoring the Science that shows a robust immune system protected millions of infected folks pre-vax.
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No. I freely admit that we could be over this in a couple months if we used crop dusters to spray live Delta virus over the whole population.

Then just wait a few days. Anyone still alive must be immune!

It's just a bad idea, that's all.
 
dad4 said:
. I freely admit that we could be over this in a couple months if we used crop dusters to spray live Delta virus over the whole population.
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Here is the thing. You could crop dust everyone and it wouldn't affect the vast vast majority of people.

Those at risk are already with serious health issues or are old with serious health issues.

The 99.9xx of the rest will shrug it off like a dog shakes off water getting out of the pool
 
Grace T. said:
The scary thing for him will turn out to be if the uk authorities turn out to be right and the only way out is through natural infection. That means it’s people like him that are prolonging this by avoiding catching the virus while in high vaccinated immunity. Maybe then it flips and those of us living our lives have the right to grow impatient with him. Maybe even forcefully stripping his Mask off.
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Given your track record, why would I believe your claim that the NHS is deliberately promoting covid infection as a way to increase natural immunity?

Much more likely that you just saw some positive quote about the benefits of natural immunity and are choosing to make it mean what you want it to mean.
 
dad4 said:
No. I freely admit that we could be over this in a couple months if we used crop dusters to spray live Delta virus over the whole population.

Then just wait a few days. Anyone still alive must be immune!

It's just a bad idea, that's all.
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That’s what happens when you ignore the history and the science. Same old case hype and low deaths right where they’ve been in decades past
 
dad4 said:
No. I freely admit that we could be over this in a couple months if we used crop dusters to spray live Delta virus over the whole population.

Then just wait a few days. Anyone still alive must be immune!

It's just a bad idea, that's all.
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It’s an awful idea. Even if natural immunity is lifelong (Don’t really need to worry about variants in that scenario) you don’t want everyone to be symptomatic simultaneously. That would be too much of a burden on the system.

Slow burn through the mostly vaccinated first world countries may be the best case scenario here.

That said, Delta in India was bad (think vaccination rate) but here.. meh. So, why the fear?
 
dad4 said:
Given your track record, why would I believe your claim that the NHS is deliberately promoting covid infection as a way to increase natural immunity?

Much more likely that you just saw some positive quote about the benefits of natural immunity and are choosing to make it mean what you want it to mean.
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The Campbell videos lay out the Uk/Denmark approach. It’s lift all restrictions and have people acquire natural immunity boosters through time, not deliberately infect them. We should know by winter if it works if Sweden the uk Denmark do not have large spikes.

I’m postulating an alternative universe where the population gets sick of this dragging on, and puts people like you who are trying to avoid getting sick in the crosshairs. I don’t seriously think it will happen. But alternative fiction is fun to speculate about.
 
dad4 said:
Given your track record, why would I believe your claim that the NHS is deliberately promoting covid infection as a way to increase natural immunity?

Much more likely that you just saw some positive quote about the benefits of natural immunity and are choosing to make it mean what you want it to mean.
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Nearly 8,000,000,000 people living on this planet. I’d say immune system’s had something to do with that. How about you?
 
Grace T. said:
I’m postulating an alternative universe where the population gets sick of this dragging on, and puts people like you who are trying to avoid getting sick in the crosshairs. I don’t seriously think it will happen. But alternative fiction is fun to speculate about.
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Postulating? The rest of the world will reach this endgame far faster than those with the wealth to postpone it.
 
Grace T. said:
The Campbell videos lay out the Uk/Denmark approach. It’s lift all restrictions and have people acquire natural immunity boosters through time, not deliberately infect them. We should know by winter if it works if Sweden the uk Denmark do not have large spikes.

I’m postulating an alternative universe where the population gets sick of this dragging on, and puts people like you who are trying to avoid getting sick in the crosshairs. I don’t seriously think it will happen. But alternative fiction is fun to speculate about.
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You think we should watch a Campbell video as a way to learn official government policy.

Why not a Boris Johnson video? Or an NHS video? Is the sovereign government of the United Kingdom suddenly incapable of speaking for itself?
 
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