Bruddah IZ
DA
That’s what happens when you ignore the history and the science. Same old case hype and low deaths right where they’ve been in decades past
Vaccine
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It’s an awful idea. Even if natural immunity is lifelong (Don’t really need to worry about variants in that scenario) you don’t want everyone to be symptomatic simultaneously. That would be too much of a burden on the system.
Slow burn through the mostly vaccinated first world countries may be the best case scenario here.
That said, Delta in India was bad (think vaccination rate) but here.. meh. So, why the fear?
The Campbell videos lay out the Uk/Denmark approach. It’s lift all restrictions and have people acquire natural immunity boosters through time, not deliberately infect them. We should know by winter if it works if Sweden the uk Denmark do not have large spikes.
I’m postulating an alternative universe where the population gets sick of this dragging on, and puts people like you who are trying to avoid getting sick in the crosshairs. I don’t seriously think it will happen. But alternative fiction is fun to speculate about.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Nearly 8,000,000,000 people living on this planet. I’d say immune system’s had something to do with that. How about you?
Postulating? The rest of the world will reach this endgame far faster than those with the wealth to postpone it.
You think we should watch a Campbell video as a way to learn official government policy.
Why not a Boris Johnson video? Or an NHS video? Is the sovereign government of the United Kingdom suddenly incapable of speaking for itself?
Actually, there may be a much more pronounced net impact differential, given the co-morbidity rate in the US with obesity alone as a factor.
The Campbell videos are useful because there does not seem to be any taint of political purpose to them. However, his method of presentation gives mask and vaccine deniers hooks to hang from, even when it is plain they do not understand the whole content of what he is saying. Those mistakes then become "data" others can support or point to in succeeding arguments.
How's this? An Alternative History of 2020-2021 (full disclaimer: yeah I know it's stupid....but most alt history is just silly and at times stupid)
Many Americans, regardless of political parties, mourned when Joe Biden passed away after contracting COVID from Donald Trump at the first 2020 debate. There was a question of whether Kamala Harris could assume the top of the ticket in most states, but where disputed the courts ruled that though the ballots could not be changed, electoral votes cast for Joe Biden would be awarded to Kamala Harris. The campaigns became very polarized, when the media and democratic activists blaming Donald Trump for what happened to Joe Biden. But a series of missteps and gaffs by Kamala Harris began to leave the impression she was perhaps not ready for prime time, and her increasingly partisan rhetoric made much of middle America nervous about whether she was the calm, unifying figure Joe Biden would have been. A last minute stroke of luck for Donald Trump was that a few days before the final ballots were to be cast, Pfizer announced the first COVID vaccine was ready to be submitted for approval. Another stroke of luck was when a narrowly divided US Supreme Court struck down the Pennsylvania mail in ballot laws, leaving Pennsylvania scrambling to have the elections ready in time, with Democrats crying foul and there was no way that every person who wanted a ballot could receive one in the scramble.
The election was close, with Trump narrowly carrying by a few thousand votes Arizona, Georgia and Wisconsin. Pennsylvania remained undecided on election night, and in the following weeks there were protests and riots in the streets. The Supreme Court, by a vote cast by ACB, awarded Pennsylvania to Donald Trump. Democrats retained control of the House by a 3 vote margin, and in the special election, Republicans lost the 2 Georgia Senate seats, controlling the Senate only by the vote of the vice president. On inauguration day, there was violence in Washington as protestors tried to break up the inauguration (which Trump called "yuugge" and thumbed his nose at COVID restrictions)....protestors managed to even break into the Supreme Court and storm and occupy the building.
One of Trump's first actions was to fire Fauci. Democrats in the House responded by launching another impeachment. Trump kept the focus on the vaccination campaign, which most of the media described as clumsy in light of rising numbers, and despite Trump's deployment of the military to assist, which more often than not wound up being more of a hindrance than an assistance to vaccination efforts. Nevertheless, by spring Trump promised that by the fourth of July things would all be over. Scott Atlas, who came back to replace Fauci, told the nation to burn its masks by July 4.
It was a great surprise to everyone, though, when the Delta arose and it was apparent that breakthrough infections were possible. Trump's poll numbers, already low, took another yuge hit, sinking into the low 30s. Despite his attempts to change the narrative by withdrawing from Afghanistan (a withdrawal which led to the rapid collapse of the Kabul regime and Trump having to send in more troops to protect Kabul while western civilians and Afghan allies were evacuated), Trump couldn't seem to catch a break, being also plagued by rising inflation being caused by supply and labor shortages. The media labelled Trump the most unpopular president since Jimmy Carter.
A desperate Trump engaged in widespread firings of military officers and staffers. Even Scott Atlas was fired. It was even being thought that some Republicans might sign onto the renewed Democratic impeachment effort (other than Romney and Murkowski who had already signaled they were ready to join). Fauci from retirement and his allies called for the United States to be locked down again, especially in light of vaccine targets only reaching about 45% of the population fully vaxxed due to the large number of refusals. But Trump, enamored by data coming out of the UK about natural immunity, and pressured by his base which was eager to move on from the pandemic, and eyeing figures showing the US economy was dangerously close to stagflation, refused. When California and New York attempted to promulgate limited lockdowns, vaccine mandates and mask mandates, Trump directed OSHA to promulgate regulations to prohibit employers from doing so on the grounds that it would prolong the pandemic and be a danger to those experiencing the peak of their vaccine immunity. Even when the UK (not wishing to be associated with the Trump plan, dubbed Sweden 2.0) reversed course, Trump stayed on course despite rising case numbers in August. When the Supreme Court told him he had overstepped his authority in a narrow 5-4 vote, Trump declared "That traitor Roberts has made his decision, now let's see if he has the guts to enforce it". In the early days of September, with Proud Boys roaming the streets tearing off masks of people who defied the bans (despite the President's lukewarm repudiation of such tactics), a weary nation wondered what would happen next and what the Democratic House and courts would do to check Donald Trump. The only perhaps silver lining is vaccination numbers took a sharp rise, particularly in blue states, with people worried about the rising Delta case number and rising hospitalizations. Then the teachers in Los Angeles Unified School district walked out on strike, once again effectively shutting down the schools.....
TBC......
He does a good job summarizing, and like I said, he's was a hard core masker (still is a light one). The problem with government videos is it's propanganda....you should know better give your criticism of the wandering China troll on these forums.
T was already lower than Carter. In fact, he was the lowest since the popularity polling began in Truman's time.
Presidential Approval Ratings -- Gallup Historical Statistics and Trends
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o.k. I should have said "worst"...I was trying to reflect the line being thrown around by Rs right now calling Biden the worst President since Carter...maybe "worst since Nixon".T was already lower than Carter. In fact, he was the lowest since the popularity polling began in Truman's time.
Presidential Approval Ratings -- Gallup Historical Statistics and Trends
Do you approve or disapprove of the way ... is handling his job as president?
Given your history, I'd be careful with summarizing. Too easy to get it wrong.
In this case, if you think any western government is promoting covid infection as a path to natural immunity, I'd say you have it wrong.
That kind of logic is in Jacob Zuma/Chairman Mao territory.
Man we have to leverage this somehow. "Free EOTL"...."We are all EOTL"...."When all else fails, EOLTize it"
met61
GOLD
Come on folks, we're being played.
www.newsweek.com
Members of Congress and Their Staff Are Exempt From Biden's Vaccine Mandate
The president's executive orders apply to employees of the executive branch and federal government contractors.
www.newsweek.com
Desert Hound
DA
Hold on here Big Bruddah.
By my math in this world of 8 billion we have 4.6 million deaths.
When you divide that into 8 billion you get 0.000575
And we are shutting down schools, biz, travel, etc based on that number?
Ridiculous. And that is about 2 yrs into this. And we play security/safety theater on this?
If anything you look at that number and think ok...not much of a threat.
Context and perspective are rather important things.
Most "normal" people? What do you mean by that. Looking at Orange County...just about 60% fully vaccinated. Does that mean 40% of Orange County folks aren't "normal"?
Didn't your side tar Sweden with the same line?
The UK (actually England) and Denmark have lifted most restrictions. It's Sweden 2.0 I'm not saying vaccinations aren't a large part of the equation...what they are pursuing is only possible because of very wide vaccination (natural immunity is just the booster). Boosters for the vulnerable are also on the table.
Come on folks, we're being played.
Members of Congress and Their Staff Are Exempt From Biden's Vaccine Mandate
The president's executive orders apply to employees of the executive branch and federal government contractors.
There's a reason for this....it's because the courts have been reluctant to allow the executive to tell Congress and the federal courts how they should conduct their business. It was the same with Obamacare...Congress was exempt.
I could get behind that....
Did you die?