p.s. you are NEVER going to force the die hard holdouts short of storming their homes and dragging them into the hospital to get their shots. They simply won't do it. That leaves you with three choices: 1) accept it's not going to be everyone, 2) go into their homes and drag them to the shots, or 3) call it quits, mandate it in the blue states, let's separate, and block red state America from coming into your state because otherwise (if you believe the unvaxxed are a danger to the vaxxed) one could show up in your neighborhood.
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You must have typed this with a smirk. You know none of this is even remotely true. The real world doesn't exist in this box, quite the opposite actually.
The jury is still out on hybrid immunity. Even Mr. Gain of Function himself will not answer the question directly.
100%, even seen that on bumper stickers. Speaking of bumper stickers my all time favorite is "Jesus Loves You, But Everyone Else Thinks You're An Asshole". Also is there some minimum required number of bumper stickers that you have to have on the back of a Prius?
met61
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It's become some type of weird religious-like team sport for many...throwing logic aside to win at all cost. I can only think maybe it's some way for them to rationalize their narrative induced irrational fears.
We should all be on Team Skeptic...directing all ire at China and any organization and/or persons responsible...while questioning government every step of the way.
The Trump era sure broke and permanently damaged many folks.
EvilGoalie 21
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I read this thing I thought was kind of interesting. The argument was that a difference between people communicating "in person" and people communicating by posting online was that when you talk to somebody face to face most people naturally seek some sort of accommodation. Whereas when you post online you are basically representing an artificial personae you've created-you are effectively branding yourself and engaging in a marketplace of competing brands. So online communication tends towards forms of discord in discourse that you'd never do in person. And disinformation feeds into it because all the actor has to do is create pre-made advertisements that you can use to rep your brand. Don't know how much there is to it but was interesting.
Yeah...but I'm really worried that it's not fixable. I understood why people had a problem with Trump. I understood why after years of building up their frustrations, the conservatives went with Trump (and why a portion of the Republican party opted to risk burning it down rather than go with yet another establishmentarian like Jeb!). I had hoped I was wrong and Biden would be a unifier that would restore some semblance of normality. But nope....the left is still snapped and what Biden did yesterday (but for the right thinking the courts have their back) has snapped the R. It's not good....I just don't see how we off ramp at this point.
EvilGoalie 21
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I think there is new guidance on this. Mandated as two less than the current average of sticker/flag combinations on Ford F-450's. And the HOV stickers don't count.
International travel, including illegal travel, is a very small fraction of cases.Assuming, arguendo, that's even true (and look at the UK....that's simply not true...yeah I know you are talking about numbers in the high 90s which don't exist anywhere except in very well off, not very dense, very few children areas), full world vaccination isn't available until 2023 and people will still move around, seeding new outbreaks (since the vaccine is not full proof). Unless you plan to shut down all world travel substantially, a "fully vaccinated adult population" is an illusion itself.
United Kingdom COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
United Kingdom Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.www.worldometers.info
There are only about one million border crossings per day.
Even if those foreigners have covid at the same rate as the US does currently, that’s only about 2500 cases per day from border crossings.
Now remember that the vast majority of border crossings are legal, which means we can require tests and vaccinations. Now you’re down well below 1000 per day if we’re smart about it.
That’s not a crisis.
Unless, of course, you have a fifth column of anti-mask anti-vax folks who keep R above 1. Then your 1000 cases per day balloons to 150,000 cases per day and you get the crisis we have now.
oh oh. Having none on my prius, I think I'm in a lot of trouble.
EvilGoalie 21
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I forgot to add that "all the rage" was very well played.
I was talking about current domestic. Unless you separate into your own exclave, plenty of tourists from Florida can come visiting your home town.
I think that's accurate. We've become last civilized in online conversations, and maybe that's why we're less tolerant of opposing opinions. However, I also think there is a wave of lack of intolerance for opposing opinions in general unrelated to online personas. While I try to avoid ad hominems online, I'm sometimes more snarky, maybe borderline mean-spirited, online than I would be face to face (although many of my friends might dispute that). I'm pretty pointed with certain people, like Dad4, as is he with me, although I still appreciate his takes. I suspect that he and I have way more in common than not, and if our kids were on the same team, I'd bet we would be hanging out and shooting the BS.
Ha, that was unintentional, but thanks.
You can opt out of the sticker requirement if you drive 60 in the fast lane.
I was always taught the fast lane was the passing lane. Apparently they don't teach that anymore, particularly in Arizona.
Where do you see any fully vaccinated community with R above 1?
The closest example I can find is Martha’s Vineyard. 95% adult vax rate. Cases slowly declining ever since the Obama case spike. That means R slightly below 1. not growing.
I think what we are seeing is that delta spreads just fine from the unvaccinated to the vaccinated. That does not mean delta case numbers can grow within a vacinated population.
EvilGoalie 21
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No worries. I'm sure there are many friendly people here that could suggest several good choices before you'd get to a point were you'd need to start watching the skies. My only recommendation would be to not stick on club insignia. Here today, gone tomorrow.
Potentially valid point.
It depends on: a) how long vaccine immunity lasts (otherwise you have people dropping into the unprotected category every months....there's also a threshold question...what does "last" mean), b) if natural immunity is as robust as vaccine immunity (all indications are it is, if not even more robust), c) how many people are naturally immune as well, d) how long does natural immunity last, and e) does the virus continue to mutate to avoid prior natural and vaccine immunity. Biden/Gottlieb/Fauci are hoping a booster vaccine makes immunity near permanent like the chicken pox vaccine....they have no data to support that belief.....it could be its like the chicken pox, it could be its like the flu shot.
met61
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Fact...but unscientific:
I am vaccinated. Recently, I contracted Covid, along with 2 other vax & 1 unvax, from another vax. I then spread to my vax spouse and my unvax teen = cases grew within a vaccinated population.
So, as I always ask...now what? or...then what?
I hope everyone is doing OK.
My friend had a similar experience with COVID spreading around a vaxxed and masked picnic. These are all anecdotes but are not consistent with an 80% efficiency against symptomatic infection. These anecdotes shouldn't be happening with the frequency they are happening.