Vaccine

Grace T. said:
That was before I realized you are likely EOTL. I even smiled at first because of the Golden Gate reference...wondered if you might be one of bros former students. With every step you take, the only thing you are doing is convincing me more and more you are in fact EOTL, which is why I'm no longer engaging you on the merits. Same bipolar frenzy, same angry attacking rhetoric, same quasi legal understanding, same look at me I'm a legal scholar mentality. It's a bullseye, particularly given there's been no denial....you seem to have the same clock, BTW, that EOTL had...something about access to a library computer IIRC.

There are 3 possibilities, in descending order of probabilities: 1) you are EOTL (in which case goodbye), 2) you are a colleague but are having a severely rough time (something is going on....full bipolar mode or something...again we don't speak to each other this way)....if so, please be aware the bar organization has some resources available for people that are having a hard time...pm me and I can point you to some resources and I'm happy to help in any way I can, 3) this is just you (perhaps maybe even a law student) and are just having a real hard time expressing yourself without the hostility....in which case please fill me in, colleague to colleague...what brings you here...let's have a friendly chat, get to know each other, and we can resume on amicable grounds now that we know each other colleague to colleague....pm me if you'd like to do it privately.

Otherwise, later and blocked.
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The only hostility here came from you. I did not personally attack you until you started making personal comments like the above to me and others. I cited the statute that says you were wrong and the California Constitutional provision that says you are wrong, and your response is stuff like this. You don't want to discuss this in a public forum any more because you can't. All you have are personal attacks. That is the only thing you can do when you are exposed for the fraud that you are.

Where is the law, court case, statute, regulation, constitutional provision or anything that says a county cannot implement a mask mandate other than if a state of emergency is declared? You are the "strict constructionist", so it must exist in plain and unambiguous language, right? For a "strict constructionist" it should be incredibly easy to point out the plain and unambiguous law that says a county cannot implement a mask mandate unless a state of emergency is declared.
 
espola said:
Just checking in -- I'm not EOTL either.
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Oh everyone except for crush sort of accepts that. EOTL is just nasty, hostile, but also very smart (in kind of a cracked mirror sort of way). You are different and make me genuinely laugh, which is why I never blocked you. I actually don't believe that there are a whole lot of dopplegangers out there (though I did love that I sort of had one of my own for a while). EOTL has a very distinct style so this is the first one I really suspect it. I think NOTF has a couple, I thought kicking (or maybe hound)=mad hatter (I miss the mad hatter), I don't think dad4 has any, I think the outlaw had 1, but I tend to be more circumspect about the entire sock puppet thing. It's hard to cover your personality and grammar if you post a lot.
 
GoldenGate said:
The only hostility here came from you. I did not personally attack you until you started making personal comments like the above to me and others. I cited the statute that says you were wrong and the California Constitutional provision that says you are wrong, and your response is stuff like this. You don't want to discuss this in a public forum any more because you can't. All you have are personal attacks. That is the only thing you can do when you are exposed for the fraud that you are.

Where is the law, court case, statute, regulation, constitutional provision or anything that says a county cannot implement a mask mandate other than if a state of emergency is declared? You are the "strict constructionist", so it must exist in plain and unambiguous language, right? For a "strict constructionist" it should be incredibly easy to point out the plain and unambiguous law that says a county cannot implement a mask mandate unless a state of emergency is declared.
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Wow...I reach out my hand and this is what you come back with? BTW, you've tipped your hand so you clearly know who EOTL and why it's of relevance (otherwise you would have tried a "EOTL, what's that?" And I don't know if you realize it, you are like a dog obsessively locked in with a bone. O.k....no denial, we go with 1 then. Blocked, thanks for playing.
 
Grace T. said:
Wow...I reach out my hand and this is what you come back with? BTW, you've tipped your hand so you clearly know who EOTL and why it's of relevance (otherwise you would have tried a "EOTL, what's that?" And I don't know if you realize it, you are like a dog obsessively locked in with a bone. O.k....no denial, we go with 1 then. Blocked, thanks for playing.
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Argument by assertion, etc.
 
dad4 said:
There is a difference between universal masking and one person donning a mask. The first has a considerably larger impact than the second- not simply because one involves more people, but because one is more effective at changing the rate of growth of the virus.

But, to understand this, you’d have to be willing to think of covid as a societal problem instead of as an individual one. As I said before, you are either unwilling or unable to make that cognitive leap.
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I think you are missing the leap.

Covid will be endemic. Something we are going to have to live with.

You are still stuck on the idea that limitations/masks/vaxxes are going to make it go away.

One point of view is realistic. The other is fantasy
 
watfly said:
Um, I don't know anybody directly (only like friends of a friends) that hasn't been vaccinated. No one feels like they're being held hostage that I know. If your feeling held hostage its out of your own irrational fear.
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I know plenty of people who are annoyed with the anti-vax minority. The most common response is contempt. It takes a special person to believe that vaccines have computer chips inside and can make you magnetic.

But there is also a sense that this would be almost over if the last 80 million people would just take their shots.

It hurts that the herd immunity threshold is so high. If it were 70%, then it would not be issue.
 
Desert Hound said:
I think you are missing the leap.

Covid will be endemic. Something we are going to have to live with.

You are still stuck on the idea that limitations/masks/vaxxes are going to make it go away.

One point of view is realistic. The other is fantasy
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Endemic is certainly a reality for many. There will be more spikes but then an eventual descent into a baseline level of infection in many communities. Seems like the writing is on the wall. Vaccination will continue to reduce hospitalizations and deaths, but infections, hopitalizations, and deaths will still happen.

Everything else is just political blabbery.
 
dad4 said:
I know plenty of people who are annoyed with the anti-vax minority. The most common response is contempt. It takes a special person to believe that vaccines have computer chips inside and can make you magnetic.

But there is also a sense that this would be almost over if the last 80 million people would just take their shots.

It hurts that the herd immunity threshold is so high. If it were 70%, then it would not be issue.
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The only people I know who have refused to take the shot are those that have had it before except for 1 hard core anti vax family who just doesn't trust public health given what they've done to date.

It may surprise you to learn that I'm annoyed with the anti-vax minority too (at least the ones that can't prove they've had it)....but I also know contempt isn't the answer, and government overreach isn't either.
 
Grace T. said:
Nah, but evil goalie seems to be his mirrored doppleganger for your team. Little joke...I actually like the way he engages crush. You guys needs a Bruddah too.
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That's funny. For my part, I ended up with the idea that you and E were an old married couple finding a safe way to argue, kind of like taking turns screaming at the GPS trying to find parking in downtown LA.
 
Grace T. said:
Wow...I reach out my hand and this is what you come back with? BTW, you've tipped your hand so you clearly know who EOTL and why it's of relevance (otherwise you would have tried a "EOTL, what's that?" And I don't know if you realize it, you are like a dog obsessively locked in with a bone. O.k....no denial, we go with 1 then. Blocked, thanks for playing.
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Argument by assertion, etc.
 
dad4 said:
But there is also a sense that this would be almost over if the last 80 million people would just take their shots.
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Based on the data it won't be over.

The vaxxed carry high viral loads and spread it.

To pretend that if everyone were vaxxed will stop the spread is well...fantasy.

If on the other hand the vaxxed didnt spread the virus then you would have a point. But the latest info shows this isn't the case.

That isn't an argument not to get vaxxed if one wants to. But to run around saying it would be almost over if everyone was vaxxed shows that person/people are not following the fact that vaxxed people are spreading covid.
 
dad4 said:
I know plenty of people who are annoyed with the anti-vax minority. The most common response is contempt. It takes a special person to believe that vaccines have computer chips inside and can make you magnetic.

But there is also a sense that this would be almost over if the last 80 million people would just take their shots.

It hurts that the herd immunity threshold is so high. If it were 70%, then it would not be issue.
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I'm sorry that you have friends that feel that way and are playing the victim card. I suspect very few of those that aren't getting the shot believe that they are filled with computer chips and can make you magnetic, those people are idiots. Most normal people are vaccinated and living their lives as usual. They've done their part and aren't looking to scapegoat anyone else.

On the flip side, it takes a special kind of person to not understand that immunity from prior infection is vastly superior to vaccinated immunity.
 
Desert Hound said:
Based on the data it won't be over.

The vaxxed carry high viral loads and spread it.

To pretend that if everyone were vaxxed will stop the spread is well...fantasy.

If on the other hand the vaxxed didnt spread the virus then you would have a point. But the latest info shows this isn't the case.

That isn't an argument not to get vaxxed if one wants to. But to run around saying it would be almost over if everyone was vaxxed shows that person/people are not following the fact that vaxxed people are spreading covid.
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The straw they are clinging too is: but on the whole the vaxxed have lower viral loads than the unvaxxed even though a particular vaxxed person can have viral loads as high, maybe masks get us the rest of the way, and the boosters hopefully act like chicken pox vaccination and confer more robust long lasting immunity (even though neither Biden nor the FDA have this long term data at their disposal and are just guessing/hoping). It's straw clinging, hoping they are right, because they can't live with the reality that this might actually be endemic and some group of people will die for years to come....that would lead to despair.
 
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