Bad News Thread

Grace T. said:
Thread. The UK is now nearing the winter wave peak and may even surpass that. The data out of Israel seems to confirm that the vaccines aren't perfect at stopping infections. Most of the infections are occurring in the vaccinated. The idea that the vaccine---> magically make this go away is over. It's time for a serious discussion for what an off ramp looks like. Either perpetual lockdowns for the next several years (knowing that you'll have to cope with the Australia-style lockdown fatigue...some areas are on their 5th lockdown) while we focus on boosters trying to race against ever evolving variants or we do what the UK is trying (knowing that when you remove the restrictions there will be some deaths) and learn to live with it.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1416073099158691842
Click to expand...
Do "Gummi's" retweet of the table allow one to calculate something like an odds-risk ratio or related statistic that is more quantitative than "no longer effective"? Those real treatments of the data are out there. Variants and persistence of acquired immunity are real issues, and this was always going to be a bumpy ride. But maybe a bit premature for "oh well, screw it".
 
EvilGoalie 21 said:
Do "Gummi's" retweet of the table allow one to calculate something like an odds-risk ratio or related statistic that is more quantitative than "no longer effective"? Those real treatments of the data are out there. Variants and persistence of acquired immunity are real issues, and this was always going to be a bumpy ride. But maybe a bit premature for "oh well, screw it".
Click to expand...

I'd agree that it's a bit premature for "oh well, screw it"...but we really need to be thinking and discussing of an off ramp here. Otherwise what will happen is that we'll back into a situation like California did previously where the restrictions were a. ruinous, b. didn't stop a serious peak from happening, c. didn't please anyone. The deal was 2 weeks/then 30/then until treatments/then until vaccines but the bargain keeps getting altered. So rather than reflexively go back (remember dad 4 said masks might be needed again this fall....we are already there in July) to the low hanging fruit (masks) which did little the first time around will do do even less this time around (if you accept dad4's argument masks helped in Asia, they didn't do that great this time around against the delta) and you end up shutting down schools, we as a society need to have a reasonable discussion over what an off ramp looks like because the curve will look something like the UK's and we need to be prepared for that.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Lately, I haven't been following the COVID numbers - @dad4, how long before Santa Clara County says regarding this, "Oh yeah? Hold my beer."
Click to expand...
I don’t do political tea leaves very well.

Best bet is they will act when beds or ICU beds get short. Now at 16 used and 100 available. So, 2.5 doublings before it gets tight. Less if we take LA patients, which we will.

Problem is, our doubling time is pretty short right now. So, 3 weeks?

I haven’t tried to predict peak height for us. Will be kind of low, due to the vax rate. That may make the mask phase short.
 
whatithink said:
Are you getting the 98% from this source, or similar?

www.worldometers.info

Coronavirus Update (Live): 52,588,544 Cases and 1,292,109 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...
www.worldometers.info www.worldometers.info

I ask because, obv. a survival rate of 98% sounds great, but based on that it still means 4 million dead. So if vaccines can move the needle to a survival rate of 98.5% or 99% or 99.5%, you are talking about millions of lives.

To me, 98% sounds great, but saving millions of lives sounds better.
Click to expand...

The 98% survival rate needs PCR confirmed cases for its statistical basis.

*smirks*… couldn’t help it.
 
Desert Hound said:
View attachment 11112
Click to expand...

watfly said:
That's really apples and oranges. The first two headlines are about the Trump vaccine and the third is about the Biden vaccine.:cool:
Click to expand...
Here are two comments that succinctly demonstrate the media’s laughably low level of self-awareness that they manage to combine with an undeservedly high a level of arrogance.

I love the last headline. It’s just so, “Now”. We need CNN to tell us how to talk to people. How about showing them the respect you always have?
 
espola said:
I've done it before, and one of her cats used to be mine (as much as any cat can belong to a human).

The first part of VRBO is Vacation, and Sacramento is not my idea of a vacation paradise.

On the drive today I was feeling good about the light traffic (except south of Corona) until I got close to Santa Barbara. I moved to Oxnard in 1970 and I have traveled that stretch many times over the years,. After 50 years, it is still under construction.
Click to expand...

First incident of catsitting -- while unloading my car at my daughter's place, the cats took the opportunity of the open door to sneak out. We hunted for them for over an hour before they came back on their own, looking guilty.
 
espola said:
First incident of catsitting -- while unloading my car at my daughter's place, the cats took the opportunity of the open door to sneak out. We hunted for them for over an hour before they came back on their own, looking guilty.
Click to expand...
The latest guess is there might be a small possibility of transmission from cats to humans especially with the delta so better mask up. Don’t know where those cats have been.
 
Grace T. said:
The latest guess is there might be a small possibility of transmission from cats to humans especially with the delta so better mask up. Don’t know where those cats have been.
Click to expand...
a mask on Espola would reduce transmission from humans to cats.

For transmission from cats to humans, you need a mask on the cat.

good luck with that plan….
 
dad4 said:
a mask on Espola would reduce transmission from humans to cats.

For transmission from cats to humans, you need a mask on the cat.

good luck with that plan….
Click to expand...

Seek and the internet provides.....actually I suspect cats and humans would prove remarkably similar in their inability to countenance the game theory behind wearing masks.

covid-19archive.org

Cat Mask Guide · Covid-19 Archive

@pennysnark on shared a meme in her instagram story. The meme is a cat wearing a mask in various fashions with explanations on the proper way to wear a face mask.
covid-19archive.org
 
Bruddah IZ said:
Corona is just a common cold virus.
Click to expand...

That's really interesting to know. What's the S protein of a rhinovirus look like? In that case, instead of kicking my ass targeting the Rona, I wish Moderna had poured their energy into a pop to keep my kid from bringing home the sniffles.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top