Bad News Thread

So what’s the story in the UK?

Drastic spike in cases, 46% of which are vaccinated and the Govt is basically saying “screw it” and lifting all restrictions.

Are they saying restrictions don’t work, the vaccine doesn’t work, or both?
Both. Clean drinking water, Good diet, healthy weight, daily exercise = A healthy immune system capable of 98% plus survival rate. Even if you're 70+. Don't let the Crisis Manufacturers fool you with their non-thinking intelect.
 
Who fuels the decisions? 73 mil listened to 1 man, a political hack. The rest it’s a mix with a high dose of experts sprinkled in. Are saying there is no political push from the “it’s a hoax””it’s not that bad””it will over by Easter” anti-vax crowd? Mistakes are made on both sides but prefer those that err on the side of protection with an eye to the overall good, or is that to lovey dovey for you?
Eloquent babble as usual.
 
Doh! Epsilon variant and we are ground zero. Time to panic and rush out to buy bottled water! ^\_(';?)_/^

Zeta is going to be the super variant, even masks won't protect you against it.

(Who knew that Zeta was the next letter in the Greek alphabet after Epsilon? I assumed it was Gamma...yes I had to look it up)
 
Doh! Epsilon variant and we are ground zero. Time to panic and rush out to buy bottled water! ^\_(';?)_/^

Given that LA was ground zero for Epsilon, and LA's numbers still fell as vaccinations rose, I think the answer is "the vaccine still works."

The bigger issue is Delta growing within the unvax community. We may have a mask mandate again this fall/winter if it keeps doubling.
 
Given that LA was ground zero for Epsilon, and LA's numbers still fell as vaccinations rose, I think the answer is "the vaccine still works."

The bigger issue is Delta growing within the unvax community. We may have a mask mandate again this fall/winter if it keeps doubling.

The issue though with the masks mandates is that it has consequences throughout the system. If masks returns, then social distancing requirements in schools may also be necessary (which means public schools can't cope with capacity limitations in some places). Transport like school buses remains restricted. Parents still have a hard time working. Offices will likely be reshuttered to the extent open. I suppose it's possible there's a decoupling and the authorities say "oh let's just use masks as an extra precaution but otherwise continue with things as normal", but given how things have gone down so far, I highly doubt it. Once you have the masks, you open the door to the other stuff too
 
Not surprising. If you listen mostly to Fox, you probably think covid is minor, so why get vaccinated? Flip side, if you read only NYT, you overestimate the risk and get vaccinated ASAP.
Another explanation could be Dems like gov action more than Repubs.
The bigger issue is Delta growing within the unvax community. We may have a mask mandate again this fall/winter if it keeps doubling.
If there is a mask mandate it will simply be another mistake by politicians.

We already see in the UK that they have a spike in cases with no corresponding increase (or anything close) to hospitalizations or deaths.

So that is key #1.

Maybe more importantly is the following.

The other thing that has been reported on widely is that with the current vaccines in place, it isn't hard to tweak them to deal with other variants if necessary. We now have the manufacturing and supply chains in place to quickly create and distribute a new variation of a vaccine.
 
Given that LA was ground zero for Epsilon, and LA's numbers still fell as vaccinations rose, I think the answer is "the vaccine still works."

The bigger issue is Delta growing within the unvax community. We may have a mask mandate again this fall/winter if it keeps doubling.
Why on earth would I wear a mask if I’m vaccinated? If you don’t want to get vax’d it’s your prerogative and if your not vax’d and you don’t want to wear a mask. Also, your prerogative.

I got Vax’d to protect me, not you.
 
Why on earth would I wear a mask if I’m vaccinated? If you don’t want to get vax’d it’s your prerogative and if your not vax’d and you don’t want to wear a mask. Also, your prerogative.

I got Vax’d to protect me, not you.
1- people who got vaccinated can still carry and spread low levels of the virus.

2- it is easier to enforce a mask rule if it applied to everyone.

My doctor’s office still requires masks for everyone. It won’t kill me if I have to wear one at the grocery store, too.
 
Well we already have supply chain issues for many items/components.

This isn't helping and in fact it is making it worse.


And other related news.




 
1- people who got vaccinated can still carry and spread low levels of the virus.

2- it is easier to enforce a mask rule if it applied to everyone.

My doctor’s office still requires masks for everyone. It won’t kill me if I have to wear one at the grocery store, too.
Once again hobble the masses to protect them minority. Great plan!

Not to mention any mask mandate will decimate you attempts at getting more people vax’d.
 
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The issue though with the masks mandates is that it has consequences throughout the system. If masks returns, then social distancing requirements in schools may also be necessary (which means public schools can't cope with capacity limitations in some places). Transport like school buses remains restricted. Parents still have a hard time working. Offices will likely be reshuttered to the extent open. I suppose it's possible there's a decoupling and the authorities say "oh let's just use masks as an extra precaution but otherwise continue with things as normal", but given how things have gone down so far, I highly doubt it. Once you have the masks, you open the door to the other stuff too
Adults wearing masks at Von's has nothing to do with whether schools need 6 foot spacing. You can easily have one without the other.

You're just linking them together for rhetorical effect. Similar to someone who hates drunk driving rules, and links them to speed traps. ( After all, we all hate speed traps, so the government has gone too far, and therefore drunk driving must be ok...)

No logic in it, but it can be effective to tie your apples to your rotten oranges and hope no one notices.
 
The issue though with the masks mandates is that it has consequences throughout the system. If masks returns, then social distancing requirements in schools may also be necessary (which means public schools can't cope with capacity limitations in some places). Transport like school buses remains restricted. Parents still have a hard time working. Offices will likely be reshuttered to the extent open. I suppose it's possible there's a decoupling and the authorities say "oh let's just use masks as an extra precaution but otherwise continue with things as normal", but given how things have gone down so far, I highly doubt it. Once you have the masks, you open the door to the other stuff too

Or we could all just drink bleach.
 
Adults wearing masks at Von's has nothing to do with whether schools need 6 foot spacing. You can easily have one without the other.

You're just linking them together for rhetorical effect. Similar to someone who hates drunk driving rules, and links them to speed traps. ( After all, we all hate speed traps, so the government has gone too far, and therefore drunk driving must be ok...)

No logic in it, but it can be effective to tie your apples to your rotten oranges and hope no one notices.
As usual you can’t see it. The problem is as soon as you require universal masking again you are telling people “it’s not safe”. If “it’s not safe” the 1/3 of the pop that’s in a panic (including the teachers unions) ask about the other restrictions. It’s possible to decouple them but nothing in the history of this suggests the authorities, particularly in the blue states that might do this while the red ones refuse, will do that as it will take effort to depanic that 1/3. You yourself once cases go up and universal masking is called for will be demanding they shut down indoor dining and bars and you know that.
 
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