Bad News Thread

Grace T. said:
As usual you can’t see it. The problem is as soon as you require universal masking again you are telling people “it’s not safe”. If “it’s not safe” the 1/3 of the pop that’s in a panic (including the teachers unions) ask about the other restrictions. It’s possible to decouple them but nothing in the history of this suggests the authorities, particularly in the blue states that might do this while the red ones refuse, will do that as it will take effort to depanic that 1/3. You yourself once cases go up and universal masking is called for will be demanding they shut down indoor dining and bars and you know that.
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You ought to be smart enough to know that "X is safe, but Y is not safe" is a gross oversimplification.

If we are asked to mask up this winter, don't read too much into it. All it means is that we need better anti-virus measures in winter because that is when covid spreads more easily. So you do the easy things, like masks at the grocery store, in an effort to avoid the hard things, like school closures.

Refusing to do your part just makes it worse. The numbers go higher, which makes the harsher measures that much more likely.
 
dad4 said:
You ought to be smart enough to know that "X is safe, but Y is not safe" is a gross oversimplification.

If we are asked to mask up this winter, don't read too much into it. All it means is that we need better anti-virus measures in winter because that is when covid spreads more easily. So you do the easy things, like masks at the grocery store, in an effort to avoid the hard things, like school closures.

Refusing to do your part just makes it worse. The numbers go higher, which makes the harsher measures that much more likely.
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a. Now we’re not talking policy or religion but marketing…in most people’s minds it’s a binary choice between safe and not. The 1/3 who panic makes it unlikely you can decouple. See teachers Union behavior to date
b picking the most ineffective of the measures is funny. It’s tokenism in the extreme as Asia is now showing
C govts would have to make an effort to decouple which blue states werent
d you are being dishonest with both yourself and us. You know you won’t stop just at masks.
 
Kicker4Life said:
Once again hobble the masses to protect them minority. Great plan!

Not to mention any mask mandate will decimate you attempts at getting more people vax’d.
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Does it just end there? Mask mandate, squeeze back in social distancing (the greatest two word combo ever), limit capacity within the service industry, "targeted" lockdowns to contain?
 
Grace T. said:
a. Now we’re not talking policy or religion but marketing…in most people’s minds it’s a binary choice between safe and not. The 1/3 who panic makes it unlikely you can decouple. See teachers Union behavior to date
b picking the most ineffective of the measures is funny. It’s tokenism in the extreme as Asia is now showing
C govts would have to make an effort to decouple which blue states werent
d you are being dishonest with both yourself and us. You know you won’t stop just at masks.
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It stops at vaccination and contact tracing.
 
dad4 said:
It's more than just a few anti vax far right folks.

WSJ put the Dem vax rate at 80% and the Rep vax rate at 50%.

Not surprising. If you listen mostly to Fox, you probably think covid is minor, so why get vaccinated? Flip side, if you read only NYT, you overestimate the risk and get vaccinated ASAP.
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Non-scientific anecdotal observation about vaccines and Democrats and Republicans. Only a couple of Righty friends (that I'm aware of) won't get the vaccine. One is just now recovering from a bad bout of Covid, I'm sure he is regretting that decision. A lot of my Lefty friends felt it was necessary to post a picture of their vaccination sticker or card on social media. For some reason it was really important for them to proclaim their vaccination status to the public.
 
espola said:
Or we could all just drink bleach.
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Had life long friend of the family and super trumper say 3 outta 5 of her close family had the Covid but were cured by hydroxy and zinc. “It took a couple weeks, but everyone is cured and now immune. Except they now have bad acid reflux.”
 
Hüsker Dü said:
Had life long friend of the family and super trumper say 3 outta 5 of her close family had the Covid but were cured by hydroxy and zinc. “It took a couple weeks, but everyone is cured and now immune. Except they now have bad acid reflux.”
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Grace posted a link recently to the English covid video guy who analyzed a couple of studies using remdesivir against covid. The results were mildly optimistic, but what she missed was that those who received only placebo medication also did better than those who got nothing. In most places, placebos (sugar pills or sterile saline injections, typically) are dirt cheap, so a rigid cost-benefit analysis would work in favor of the placebo treatment.
 
Desert Hound said:
The other thing that has been reported on widely is that with the current vaccines in place, it isn't hard to tweak them to deal with other variants if necessary. We now have the manufacturing and supply chains in place to quickly create and distribute a new variation of a vaccine.
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I read that Israel found that the Pfizer vaccine was only 64% effective against the Delta variant but 94% (or maybe 95%) effective in minimizing the impact. Israel rolled out the vaccine quicker than anyone and opened up. THey are at about 60% vaccinated, but have a new surge.

www.timesofisrael.com

With COVID comeback, ministers tighten Ben Gurion isolation requirement

Though coronavirus cabinet doesn't impose major new restrictions, it orders rapid testing at geriatric centers, summer camps; quarantine period may be shortened
www.timesofisrael.com www.timesofisrael.com

On the manufacturing piece, I see that Pfizer is now quoting that report (smallish sample size) and trying to get approval for a booster shot after 6 months, esp. for older people (not sure that they defined that).

I also note that Pfizer expects to bank $25B in revenue in 2021 due to the Covid vaccine. Estimates have Covid related vaccines banking $157B in revenue through 2025.

So expect booster shots (6 months is good for the pharma industry) and annual shots and so on until people treat it like the flu shot - some get it, most don't, people die, but we get to live our lives.
 
Desert Hound said:
We now have the manufacturing and supply chains in place to quickly create and distribute a new variation of a vaccine.
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I would add that if "we" is the US only or the "developed ($) world", then this is somewhat true. But until this is true worldwide, there will be new variants popping up all the time. The vaccine rollout in the US has been very impressive, relative to anyone or everyone else. Most of the world is still way behind us.
 
espola said:
Grace posted a link recently to the English covid video guy who analyzed a couple of studies using remdesivir against covid. The results were mildly optimistic, but what she missed was that those who received only placebo medication also did better than those who got nothing. In most places, placebos (sugar pills or sterile saline injections, typically) are dirt cheap, so a rigid cost-benefit analysis would work in favor of the placebo treatment.
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cherry picker
 
whatithink said:
I would add that if "we" is the US only or the "developed ($) world", then this is somewhat true. But until this is true worldwide, there will be new variants popping up all the time. The vaccine rollout in the US has been very impressive, relative to anyone or everyone else. Most of the world is still way behind us.
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Tokyo is at about 5% vaccination and is going into restrictions again but Olympics games on! (If without spectators).
 
Grace T. said:
Tokyo is at about 5% vaccination and is going into restrictions again but Olympics games on! (If without spectators).
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Yes and 80-90K people coming into the country for it. The IOC seem to have Japan over a barrel with the Japanese (public) not wanting it anymore. They did decide not to distribute 100K (or something) condoms, as they usually do at the Olympics. That should sort out any potential contacts among tens of thousands of supremely fit athletes in a bubble for weeks :rolleyes:.

Then you have the Euro final in London with Uefa "exempting" 2-3K people from the UK's quarantine rules (or they would move the final). At least the UK have rolled out the vaccine pretty efficiently, although slightly differently with the delay in second doses.
 
watfly said:
www.usatoday.com

Vaccinated teachers, students don't need masks inside school buildings, CDC says: Live COVID-19 updates

A booster shot of the COVID-19 vaccine made by Pfizer and BioNTech strongly extends protection, a new study shows. The latest COVID updates.
www.usatoday.com

How many California school districts will ignore this guidance?
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It also set up that the blue states will require masks on children under age 12 at least at the beginning (last I heard the trials on pfizer for the over 5 were due September-October)
 
Desert Hound said:
Starting off the day with trick questions I see.

Bet hard on A LOT.
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They will be hearing from me if my kid's districts go the all mask route.

It's so counterproductive to getting kids vaccinated. I certainly won't vaccinate my youngest if he is still required to wear a mask vaccinated or not.
 
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