Bad News Thread

Well actually just a few weeks ago we were talking about this in relation to math being taught in and around the SF area. They want to teach math with equity in mind, racism, etc. All things that really have nothing to do with teaching mathematics.

So my example is not something that is just seen outside of the US. You are seeing the focus change in a variety of areas around the US...and our kids will be worse off for it.
I didn't see that. I don't understand how you make Math racist. I could see how you could teach a "History of Mathematics" class and make that racist, but that doesn't seem to be the thrust of the linked piece. Strangely, there is no substance or attempt to provide substance or evidence by what's meant, so I'm none the wiser.

I can see how under privileged students can be impacted negatively in education, but that applies to any under privileged student irrespective of race, creed, preference etc. Education policy makers should obviously make every effort to "rectify" this.
 
I always get a chuckle when I come across this. Yes I know France has a long distinguished military history. That said here is your chuckle of the day.


  • Gallic Wars - Lost. In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2000 years of French history, France is conquered by of all things, an Italian.
  • Hundred Years War - Mostly lost, saved at last by female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare; "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchman."
  • Italian Wars - Lost. France becomes the first and only country to ever lose two wars when fighting Italians.
  • Wars of Religion - France goes 0-5-4 against the Huguenots
  • Thirty Years War - France is technically not a participant, but manages to get invaded anyway. Claims a tie on the basis that eventually the other participants started ignoring her.
  • War of Devolution - Tied. Frenchmen take to wearing red flowerpots as chapeaux.
  • The Dutch War - Tied
  • War of the Augsburg League/King William's War/French and Indian War - Lost, but claimed as a tie. Three ties in a row induces deluded Frogophiles the world over to label the period as the height of French military power.
  • War of the Spanish Succession - Lost. The War also gave the French their first taste of a Marlborough, which they have loved every since.
  • American Revolution - In a move that will become quite familiar to future Americans, France claims a win even though the English colonists saw far more action. This is later known as "de Gaulle Syndrome", and leads to the Second Rule of French Warfare; " France only wins when America does most of the fighting."
  • French Revolution - Won, primarily due the fact that the opponent was also French.
  • The Napoleonic Wars - Lost. Temporary victories (remember the First Rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican, who ended up being no match for a British footwear designer.
  • The Franco-Prussian War - Lost. Germany first plays the role of drunk Frat boy to France's ugly girl home alone on a Saturday night.
  • World War I - Tied and on the way to losing, France is saved by the United States. Thousands of French women find out what it's like to not only sleep with a winner, but one who doesn't call her "Fraulein." Sadly, widespread use of condoms by American forces forestalls any improvement in the French bloodline.
  • World War II - Lost. Conquered French liberated by the United States and Britain just as they finish learning the Horst Wessel Song.
  • War in Indochina - Lost. French forces plead sickness, take to bed with the Dien Bien Flu.
  • Algerian Rebellion - Lost. Loss marks the first defeat of a western army by a Non-Turkic Muslim force since the Crusades, and produces the First Rule of Muslim Warfare; "We can always beat the French." This rule is identical to the First Rules of the Italians, Russians, Germans, English, Dutch, Spanish, Vietnamese and Esquimaux.
  • War on Terrorism - France, keeping in mind its recent history, surrenders to Germans and Muslims just to be safe. Attempts to surrender to Vietnamese ambassador fail after he takes refuge in a McDonald's.
 
This is back to the bad news.

"EcoHealth Alliance President Peter Daszak emailed Anthony Fauci in 2017 outlining his collaborative research on a “bat-origin coronavirus” with the Wuhan Institute of Virology’s Shi Zhengli, which included “doing assays to find out if it can infect human cells in the lab.”

 
I can see how under privileged students can be impacted negatively in education, but that applies to any under privileged student irrespective of race,
This certainly does happen.

It seems to be a lack of funding
A lack of enforcement of standards
A lack of any consequences, etc.

All of which means kids are stuck in failing schools and leave without an education which of course leads to poor outcomes in life.

Take Baltimore for example. It isn't racism holding the kids back. And yet despite the terrible performance of their public schools, they are on board with CRT. That isn't going to help those poor kids get an education. It will just make things even worse.


"Tiffany France, one of the mothers profiled in the Project Baltimore investigation, said she thought her 17-year-old son would be receiving his diploma in June but learned that after four years of attending Augusta Fells, her son is being moved back to the ninth grade.

According to transcripts, France's son passed only three classes in his four years of high school, earning a 0.13 grade point average. What's worse is that her son's GPA puts him near the top half of this class. He was also late or absent to school 359 days."
 
And here the New Yorker gets around to admitting what we have known for a long time. Kids have no risk.

The problem we had and still have is:

"The country’s whole risk profile has changed. But our intuitions about risk tolerance haven’t — at least not yet."

Which is why you get the idiocy of telling kids to wear masks this coming school year. I suspect it won't just be masks either. Bet on a large number of safety policies put in places in school, that have nothing to do with actual safety but will make things more restrictive on kids and activities.


Yup, cases are just beginning to trend upward and their opening bid is masks on kids, even if they are vaccinated. We should start a pool for what California implements when it is on the top of the curve and in full panic meltdown.

The wave is likely to be as bad as this, even though deaths and hospitalizations will still not be anywhere near as bad as prior waves....


 
Yup, cases are just beginning to trend upward and their opening bid is masks on kids, even if they are vaccinated. We should start a pool for what California implements when it is on the top of the curve and in full panic meltdown.

The wave is likely to be as bad as this, even though deaths and hospitalizations will still not be anywhere near as bad as prior waves....


Yep they keep peddling fear.

A look at UK shows the vaccines work. It as you state it shows that cases are not translating into deaths/hospitalizations.

A normal person would look at the data and say hey this is great news. Carry on. And yet we hear the opposite. Be worried about the Delta variant, etc.

And the pool may be interesting. CA is going to create a lot of bad rules if history is any guide.
 
This certainly does happen.

It seems to be a lack of funding
A lack of enforcement of standards
A lack of any consequences, etc.

All of which means kids are stuck in failing schools and leave without an education which of course leads to poor outcomes in life.

Take Baltimore for example. It isn't racism holding the kids back. And yet despite the terrible performance of their public schools, they are on board with CRT. That isn't going to help those poor kids get an education. It will just make things even worse.


"Tiffany France, one of the mothers profiled in the Project Baltimore investigation, said she thought her 17-year-old son would be receiving his diploma in June but learned that after four years of attending Augusta Fells, her son is being moved back to the ninth grade.

According to transcripts, France's son passed only three classes in his four years of high school, earning a 0.13 grade point average. What's worse is that her son's GPA puts him near the top half of this class. He was also late or absent to school 359 days."
Moving a 17 year old back to 9th grade in an environment that has already failed him after 4 years wouldn't bode well IMV.

I agree that there should be standards with funding available to ensure they should be achievable, and then regular monitoring to measure and consequences up and down the hierarchy, i.e. not just consequences for a teacher or school, but also up the leadership chain through and including the politicians.
 
Meanwhile here in the USA, all we have to worry about is covid deniers and traditional anti-vaxxers, such as the attendees at the Southern Baptist Convention recently --


It's still too soon to tell about the impact of the denial and resistance exhibited among the speakers at the Dallas CPAC (which I have seen called "Cray-cray PAC" in several places online today).
So you agree with me on denial and resistance.
 
Yep they keep peddling fear.

A look at UK shows the vaccines work. It as you state it shows that cases are not translating into deaths/hospitalizations.

A normal person would look at the data and say hey this is great news. Carry on. And yet we hear the opposite. Be worried about the Delta variant, etc.

And the pool may be interesting. CA is going to create a lot of bad rules if history is any guide.

Well, I'm already banking that it will be unlikely my colleagues and I will have the full office reopening this fall.
 
Yep they keep peddling fear.

A look at UK shows the vaccines work. It as you state it shows that cases are not translating into deaths/hospitalizations.

A normal person would look at the data and say hey this is great news. Carry on. And yet we hear the opposite. Be worried about the Delta variant, etc.

And the pool may be interesting. CA is going to create a lot of bad rules if history is any guide.
How do we know the vaccine really works when there was a 98% survival rate pre-vaccine? The same has been true for previous SARS without vaccines.
 
Perhaps the biggest fallacy about the history of racial and ethnic minorities is that the passage of time reduces the hostility and discrimination they face. In many countries, minorities have faced greater hostility and discrimination in a later period than in earlier periods. In other countries, the reverse has been true. But the passage of time alone does not automatically produce either result.......... Within an even shorter span of time, the island nation of Sri Lanka, off the coast of India, went from being a country whose good relations between majority and minority had become a model for intergroup harmony to one with a decades-long civil war taking tens of thousands of lives. During the first half of the twentieth century, there was not a single riot between the Sinhalese majority and the Tamil minority. But, during the second half of that century, there were many such riots, marked by unspeakable atrocities, and ultimately degenerating into a civil war that was still not completely ended as the twenty-first century dawned.

Other such examples could be found in many countries and in many periods of history. In Bohemia, Germans and Czechs co-existed peacefully for centuries, until the rise of Czech nationalism, climaxed by the creation of the new nation of Czechoslovakia after the First World War, led to discrimination against Germans and then to a German backlash that led ultimately to the Munich crisis of 1938, when the Czechs were forced to relinquish the predominantly German Sudetenland to Nazi Germany. After Germany later took over all of Czechoslovakia, the Germans in that country then joined in the Nazis' persecution of Czechs. After the defeat of Germany in World War II, Germans in Czechoslovakia were expelled by the millions, often under brutal conditions that led to many deaths.

Such retrogressions in intergroup relations were not unknown in the United States, though not usually to such extremes. The predominantly German Jewish population of the United States was far better assimilated and accepted before the arrival of millions of unassimilated Eastern European Jews in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries led to a social backlash against all Jews that resulted in restrictions against Jews in places where such restrictions had not existed before. Black Americans, meanwhile, were far better accepted in Northern cities at the end of the nineteenth century than they would be in the first half of the twentieth century, after massive migrations of less assimilated Southern blacks caused a similar backlash that created new restrictions against all blacks. Northern cities in which blacks had lived largely dispersed among whites saw in the early twentieth century the rigid residential segregation patterns that would create the black ghettoes which quickly became the norm.

It would be as fallacious to depict racial retrogression as an inevitable result of the passage of time as to depict racial progress as something happening automatically over time. Much racial progress occurred in the second half of the twentieth century in the United States, especially for blacks. Since this was not something that happened automatically, it is important to understand the causes and the timing. It is especially important to scrutinize the evidence because many individuals and organizations have a vested interest in claiming credit for progress, and incessantly repeated claims can sometimes be mistaken for facts.

Progress and retrogression are not always separated in different eras. There can be much progress in some respects during the same time when there is retrogression in other respects. That was especially true among black Americans in the second half of the twentieth century.

Before the landmark Supreme Court decision in Brown v. Board of Education in 1954, the racial segregation of schools was required in all the Southern states that had formed the Confederacy, as well as in Missouri, Texas, Oklahoma, and the District of Columbia— and racial segregation of the schools was permitted in Wyoming, Arizona, and New Mexico. All such laws were nullified by the Supreme Court decision and, over the next decades, the practice of racial segregation in the schools was dismantled. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 outlawed racial segregation in both public and private enterprises and institutions, and forbade employment discrimination as well. The Voting Rights Act of 1965 outlawed practices which had disenfranchised black voters in the South and the 1970s saw "affirmative action" take on the meaning of preferential hiring of minority workers.

These major legal landmarks of the civil rights revolution have often been credited with the economic and political advances of the black population.
Certainly the Voting Rights Act was responsible for a huge increase in black voting in the South and the subsequent skyrocketing of the number of black elected officials throughout the region. But history tells a very different story as regards the economic advancement of blacks.

The percentage of black families with incomes below the poverty line fell most sharply between 1940 and 1960, going from 87 percent to 47 percent over that span, before either the Civil Rights Act of 1964 or the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and well before the 1970s, when "affirmative action" evolved into numerical "goals" or "quotas." While the downward trend in poverty continued, the pace of that decline did not accelerate after these legal landmarks but in fact slackened. The poverty rate declined from 47 percent to 30 percent during the decade of the 1960s and then only from 30 percent to 29 percent between 1970 and 1980. However, much credit has been claimed for the civil rights laws of the 1960s or the War on Poverty programs of that same decade, the hard facts show that blacks' rise out of poverty was more dramatic before any of these government actions got under way.

There was a similar historical trend as regards the rise of blacks into professional, managerial, and other high-level occupations. The number of blacks in white collar occupations, managerial and administrative occupations doubled between 1940 and 1960, and nearly doubled in professional occupations. Meanwhile, the number of blacks who were farm workers in 1960 was only one-fourth of the number who were in 1940. These favorable trends continued after 1960 but did not originate in the 1960s. As regards the group preferences and quotas— "affirmative action"— which began in the 1970s, they produced little or no effect on the relative sizes of black and white incomes. The median black household income was 60.9 percent of the median white household income in 1970— and never rose above that, or as high as that, throughout the decade of the 1970s. As of 1980, median black household income was 57.6 percent of median white household income.

The facts are clear but the fallacies persist that it was the civil rights laws, the "war on poverty" programs of the 1960s, and affirmative action which caused the rise of blacks out of poverty and their ascent into middle class occupations.


The above from Thomas Sowell reminds me of how much credit is given to NPI's and vaccines in the SCAMDEMIC. The fallacy of NPI's and vaccines persist despite hard historical data to the contrary.
 
Well actually just a few weeks ago we were talking about this in relation to math being taught in and around the SF area. They want to teach math with equity in mind, racism, etc. All things that really have nothing to do with teaching mathematics.

So my example is not something that is just seen outside of the US. You are seeing the focus change in a variety of areas around the US...and our kids will be worse off for it.

You are very critical of CRT, but you have shown no knowledge of what it is.
 
Yep they keep peddling fear.

A look at UK shows the vaccines work. It as you state it shows that cases are not translating into deaths/hospitalizations.

A normal person would look at the data and say hey this is great news. Carry on. And yet we hear the opposite. Be worried about the Delta variant, etc.

And the pool may be interesting. CA is going to create a lot of bad rules if history is any guide.
Sure, the vaccines work. It’s very good news for those of us who live in areas where people actually got their shots.

If you don’t live in Vermont, Hawaii, or SF, expect to hear more about Delta. A 50% vax rate leaves more than enough potential carriers for you to have an outbreak.
 
Sure, the vaccines work. It’s very good news for those of us who live in areas where people actually got their shots.

If you don’t live in Vermont, Hawaii, or SF, expect to hear more about Delta. A 50% vax rate leaves more than enough potential carriers for you to have an outbreak.
The key is that nationwide the people at risk...ie 65 and above are vaccinated at 80% and higher (I believe high 80s). Those were the people at risk and that is the group that is vaccinated at a very high level. You had 80% or more of the deaths in this age range, and now they are covered.

Game over so to speak.
 
Sure, the vaccines work. It’s very good news for those of us who live in areas where people actually got their shots.

If you don’t live in Vermont, Hawaii, or SF, expect to hear more about Delta. A 50% vax rate leaves more than enough potential carriers for you to have an outbreak.

"Sure, the vaccines work. It's very good news for those of us who live in areas where people actually got their shots. It's very good news for those of us who actually got our shots and are old enough to be at risk. If you don’t live in Vermont, Hawaii, or SF, expect to hear more about Delta. A 50% vax rate leaves more than enough potential carriers for you to have an outbreak. you haven't got your shot you should get one so you can resume living a normal life" There....FIFY.
 
You are very critical of CRT, but you have shown no knowledge of what it is.
Or where, at what level, it is actually taught/discussed in ernest.
Sure, the vaccines work. It’s very good news for those of us who live in areas where people actually got their shots.

If you don’t live in Vermont, Hawaii, or SF, expect to hear more about Delta. A 50% vax rate leaves more than enough potential carriers for you to have an outbreak.
Well there you have it folks.

Never underestimate the difficulty of changing false beliefs by facts.

Henry Rosovsky
 
Or where, at what level, it is actually taught/discussed in ernest.
This might be above you Du

In addition to its own evils during its own time, slavery has generated fallacies that endure into our time, confusing many issues today. The distinguished historian Daniel J. Boorstin said something that was well known to many scholars, but utterly unknown to many among the general public, when he pointed out that, with the mass transportation of Africans in bondage to the Western Hemisphere, "Now for the first time in Western history, the status of slave coincided with a difference of race."

For centuries before, Europeans had enslaved other Europeans, Asians had enslaved other Asians and Africans had enslaved other Africans. Only in the modern era was there both the wealth and the technology to organize the mass transportation of people across an ocean, either as slaves or as free immigrants.
Nor were Europeans the only ones to transport masses of enslaved human beings from one continent to another. North Africa's Barbary Coast pirates alone captured and enslaved at least a million Europeans from 1500 to 1800, carrying more Europeans into bondage in North Africa than there were Africans brought in bondage to the United States and the American colonies from which it was formed. Moreover, Europeans were still being bought and sold in the slave markets of the Islamic world, decades after blacks were freed in the United States.

Slavery was a virtually universal institution in countries around the world and for thousands of years of recorded history. Indeed, archaeological evidence suggests that human beings learned to enslave other human beings before they learned to write. One of the many fallacies about slavery— that it was based on race— is sustained by the simple but pervasive practice of focussing exclusively on the enslavement of Africans by Europeans, as if this were something unique, rather than part of a much larger worldwide human tragedy. Racism grew out of African slavery, especially in the United States, but slavery preceded racism by thousands of years. Europeans enslaved other Europeans for centuries before the first African was brought in bondage to the Western Hemisphere.

The brutal reality is that vulnerable people were usually taken advantage of wherever it was feasible to take advantage of them, regardless of what race or color they were.
The rise of nation states put armies and navies around some people but it was not equally possible to establish nation states in all parts of the world, partly because of geography. Where large populations had no army or navy to protect them, they fell prey to enslavers, whether in Africa, Asia or along unguarded stretches of European coastlines where Barbary pirates made raids, usually around the Mediterranean but sometimes as far away as England or Iceland. The enormous concentration of writings and of the media in general on slavery in the Western Hemisphere, or in the United States in particular, creates a false picture which makes it difficult to understand even the history of slavery in the United States.

While slavery was readily accepted as a fact of life all around the world for centuries on end, there was never a time when slavery could get that kind of universal acceptance in the United States, founded on a principle of freedom, with which slavery was in such obvious and irreconcilable contradiction. Slavery was under ideological attack from the first draft of the Declaration of Independence and a number of Northern states banned slavery in the years immediately following independence. Even in the South, the ideology of freedom was not wholly without effect, as tens of thousands of slaves were voluntarily set free after Americans gained their own freedom from England.

Most Southern slaveowners, however, were determined to hold on to their slaves and, for that, some defense was necessary against the ideology of freedom and the widespread criticisms of slavery that were its corollary. Racism became that defense. Such a defense was unnecessary in unfree societies, such as that of Brazil, which imported more slaves than the United States but developed no such virulent levels of racism as that of the American South. Outside Western civilization, no defense of slavery was necessary, as non-Western societies saw nothing wrong with it. Nor was there any serious challenge to slavery in Western civilization prior to the eighteenth century.

Racism became a justification of slavery in a society where it could not be justified otherwise— and centuries of racism did not suddenly vanish with the abolition of the slavery that gave rise to it. But the direction of causation was the direct opposite of what is assumed by those who depict the enslavement of Africans as being a result of racism. Nevertheless, racism became one of the enduring legacies of slavery. How much of it continues to endure and in what strength today is something that can be examined and debated. But many other things that are considered to be legacies of slavery can be tested empirically, rather than being accepted as foregone conclusions.

Mr. Sowell, Economic Facts and Fallacies
 
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