Bad News Thread

"Masking has become a religion, and like most new faiths, it isn’t very well thought-out — or humane."
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"There was never any need to wear masks outdoors. Even Dr. Anthony Fauci admits that, yet on every street there are people, often alone, continuing to wear a mask."
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"Why do I care if traumatized or virtue-signaling people continue to mask? Because it affects us all. Decisions are made for all of us, because so many people won’t move on."

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Fellow New Yorkers: It’s time to move on — to unmask ourselves and our kids

My fellow New Yorkers, you know what we are doing is crazy: Unmask. It’s time. It’s long past the time. What happened to us? How are we entering summer 2021, with many of us still masked, despite a…
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watfly said:
I'm not totally convinced either that the best way to address the issue is for DeSantis to legislate against vaccine passports.
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I like the fact that he has done that along with a couple of other states.

It puts a brake on the desire of many to put impediments to things I want to do. I like freedom. And as we give it up a little here and there it starts to add up and become the "norm". The norm being why not do this? Etc. etc.
 
dad4 said:
That’s exactly what I mean. You went straight to the totalitarian state argument.

If vaccines are required for my Carnival cruise, then I must be living in one of President Xi’s gulags.

It makes no sense, of course. It’s about as useful for polite conversation as comparing people to Nazis.
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Blanket mandates by the government are my concern. It's a business decision for cruise lines. I'm not bothered by that. Keeping schools closed because of it would bother me. Extending a state of emergency is overreach.
 
Desert Hound said:
I like the fact that he has done that along with a couple of other states.

It puts a brake on the desire of many to put impediments to things I want to do. I like freedom. And as we give it up a little here and there it starts to add up and become the "norm". The norm being why not do this? Etc. etc.
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Totally get it and don't necessarily disagree, but I would have preferred negotiation over legislation. Maybe that was attempted and failed. This one is just a little more nuanced for me.
 
watfly said:
Who is saying that? Carnival is a non-monopoly, private entity. They can do as they choose as long as it's not discriminatory, or a violation of HIPAA. I happen to think its terrible business policy and suspect health policy to require vaccines. I'm not totally convinced either that the best way to address the issue is for DeSantis to legislate against vaccine passports.
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I didn't bring up authoritarian states. That was K&S.

"It's what the Chinese government does. It's what is done in North Korea. "

I just pointed out that he was equating vaccine cards with forced labor camps.
 
dad4 said:
Sample size is pretty darn small. Only 5% of participants were previously infected.

They were trying to draw conclusions from a sample size of 1220 previously infected but recently vaccinated patients. It is no surprise that they couldn’t get a significant result. The study was completely underpowered.

This is why their confidence interval was “0 to infinity” for the previously infected group. The data didn’t say anything this time.

You’d need a considerably larger study to say anything other than “we don’t know.”. Preferably in India, where you can find out about the value of the vaccine against a new variant.

I really wish they would stop printed underpowered studies as proof of a negative. There is a statistical standard for demonstrating the lack of a correlation. This study does not meet it.
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The above is from another thread he posts in. I find it funny. In the study he references, he says 1220 people is way to small.

And yet over the past year and a half I have seen him write about studies he likes that have similar numbers of participants.

So @dad4 you win again. Your back must hurt from moving the goal posts back and forth depending on which argument you want to make and/or refute.
 
By the way as a follow up to the misconduct on the part of the press.

A year ago May, T went to a church not far from the WH has that been vandalized. Earlier in the day or not long before he went tear gas was used to disperse the crowd. The press went ballistic regarding this. Biden and the D's had a field day with it.

Turns out, neither T nor anyone in the admin had anything to do with this. So another story the press got wrong and had little interest in finding out the actual truth. On the other hand their reporting fired up half the nation. So there is that I guess...mission accomplished on their part.

Review of U.S. Park Police Actions at Lafayette Park | DOI OIG

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Grace T. said:
Apparently Fauci now believes he and science are equivalent.


reason.com

Anthony Fauci Says His Critics Are Attacking Science Itself

In an interview with MNSBC host Chuck Todd on Wednesday, White House coronavirus advisor Anthony Fauci fired back at his detractors—explicitly suggesting
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He is Science, you didn't know that? I've been dealing with his kind for 40 sum years. This Doc is a whacko and cares about his legacy over the truth. He lies for a living. Total loser and now his pal Chuck is giving him cover.
 
Grace T. said:
Apparently Fauci now believes he and science are equivalent.


reason.com

Anthony Fauci Says His Critics Are Attacking Science Itself

In an interview with MNSBC host Chuck Todd on Wednesday, White House coronavirus advisor Anthony Fauci fired back at his detractors—explicitly suggesting
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Actual Science, or Science Du Jour...there's a big difference. Pretty cool how one person can be the sole arbiter of truth. Fauci is the new Exhibit A for "How Power Corrupts". Who let him out of the lab?
 
Grace T. said:
Apparently Fauci now believes he and science are equivalent.


reason.com

Anthony Fauci Says His Critics Are Attacking Science Itself

In an interview with MNSBC host Chuck Todd on Wednesday, White House coronavirus advisor Anthony Fauci fired back at his detractors—explicitly suggesting
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I think he merely believes that you loons would have made personal attacks against anyone representing the median scientific view.

He is correct in that assessment.

That's not to say the median scientific view was always correct. But you guys would have attacked the messenger no matter who it was.
 
dad4 said:
I think he merely believes that you loons would have made personal attacks against anyone representing the median scientific view.

He is correct in that assessment.

That's not to say the median scientific view was always correct. But you guys would have attacked the messenger no matter who it was.
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Nah...it's that you believers in St. Fauci are prepared to believe anything he says. It's faith, not science. Science is based on questioning and should invite questioning. Faith rejects questioning as dangerous.
 
Grace T. said:
Nah...it's that you believers in St. Fauci are prepared to believe anything he says. It's faith, not science. Science is based on questioning and should invite questioning. Faith rejects questioning as dangerous.
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Nonsense. Science is based on testing of falsifiable hypotheses.

Your style of “questioning“ lacks falsifiability. It is ‘questioning”, in that you are willing to reject things that others put forward. But it is not falsifiable. You have displayed next to no ability to reject a previous belief in the face of new evidence.

Your complaint against Fauci is that he has, for the most part, accurately followed the median scientific view. Had someone else done the same, you’d be insulting them.
 
dad4 said:
Nonsense. Science is based on testing of falsifiable hypotheses.

Your style of “questioning“ lacks falsifiability. It is ‘questioning”, in that you are willing to reject things that others put forward. But it is not falsifiable. You have displayed next to no ability to reject a previous belief in the face of new evidence.

Your complaint against Fauci is that he has, for the most part, accurately followed the median scientific view. Had someone else done the same, you’d be insulting them.
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I'm waiting to see what G makes of "falsifiable".
 
dad4 said:
Nonsense. Science is based on testing of falsifiable hypotheses.

Your style of “questioning“ lacks falsifiability. It is ‘questioning”, in that you are willing to reject things that others put forward. But it is not falsifiable. You have displayed next to no ability to reject a previous belief in the face of new evidence.

Your complaint against Fauci is that he has, for the most part, accurately followed the median scientific view. Had someone else done the same, you’d be insulting them.
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A. Love the nonsense. Taking a page from the Espola playbook I see.
b. I have no doubt you would have fawned over and called for deferring to the experts for any idiot in that position
C. If someone else had made the same lies and policy errors yes I would attack it
D. But fauci is uniquely awful in his job particularly the pr aspects
E. The falsifiability point is uniquely nonsensical coming from you, given the real world evidence around you.this is nothing more than religion to you
 
Grace T. said:
A. Love the nonsense. Taking a page from the Espola playbook I see.
b. I have no doubt you would have fawned over and called for deferring to the experts for any idiot in that position
C. If someone else had made the same lies and policy errors yes I would attack it
D. But fauci is uniquely awful in his job particularly the pr aspects
E. The falsifiability point is uniquely nonsensical coming from you, given the real world evidence around you.this is nothing more than religion to you
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I told you once, twice & three times the charm now. Dad, EOTL and Espola are one and the same dude. I like Espola. I told him three years ago that this would get fixed and I was going to be a voice for reason.
 
I was at a local store today that also sells medications. I have a very bad tooth and I went to see the dentist today and he prescribed me some pain meds until surgery on Monday and that is why I went to pharmacy. I wont share the name of the place but it was insane today. Hugh push to "get out the shot." People asking me to sign up again and it's annoying. It's starting to have that "cult" feel. Pushing Jim Jones Kool Aid or something like that. All smiles and happy to offer me free bat virus. Super duper nice people today, but that kind of nice that makes you wonder in your little brain and ask yourself some basic Qs. Why are the so-called pros in the needle industry so nice now? Pros trying to get people signed up for free shots and pushing it hard, why? I was asked to sign up once in the store by some lady randomly walking around in the store. It was an invasion of my privacy, MOO. Leave me alone so I can shop. I dont need to get tempted with free lotto ticket if I take shots. I told thee nice lady "no thank you." Even my dentist receptionist was asking me some personal Qs about my health. I told her I wont answer and she said, "ok, you dont have to." I did get a chance to watch people get their shots live today. No one fainted or died for taking the shots and no shakes. The main shot pusher looked so happy, like he was getting a bonus. He was a big time order taker and moved extremely fast. No looked scared or afraid as they lined up. Q. Does anyone know if they have incentives for the needle pushers like bonuses for sign ups or is it just free stuff and lotto chances for those who inject the bat virus?
 
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