Bad News Thread

dad4 said:
But something went seriously wrong in LA, and it wasn’t just Newsom. Somehow, you guys had over twice as many deaths per capita as other urbanized areas of California.
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Nothing went wrong outside of closing everything down.

LA shut down. Schools closes, restaurants closed, biz closed. What else exactly were they supposed to do?
 
dad4 said:
Somehow, you guys had over twice as many deaths per capita as other urbanized areas of California.
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Hey don't lump SD in with LA, we're the anti-LA. :cool: (Ironically, LA went yellow before SD, in fact, SD is still orange)

Garcetti may be the variable you're looking for.
 
Desert Hound said:
Yep.

You get to work at home in your basement wearing a mask and get full pay.
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It's interesting. Elementary teachers and middle school teachers seemed to be very committed for the most part. High school teachers were generally a disaster, some at best just mailed it in. One of my daughter's teachers told his students not to contact him unless it was an emergency. Some just assigned homework and rarely graded it. A few still refuse to show up in person. I place the blame firmly on the principals for not holding the teachers accountable (although the unions had a role in that as well).

Fortunately, there are some very good online resources and my high school daughter was able to educate herself.
 
watfly said:
Hey don't lump SD in with LA, we're the anti-LA. :cool: (Ironically, LA went yellow before SD, in fact, SD is still orange)

Garcetti may be the variable you're looking for.
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SD did ok. Worse than most of CA, but nowhere near as badly as LA.

What did Garcetti do differently? San Jose, Oakland, and SF were all doing the same thing. None of them had 2400 deaths per million.

The problem was not politicians. Most of socal was more relaxed about rules. San Diego got the easy test (wild type covid) LA got the hard test (LA variant). So San Diego got a C and LA got an F.
 
dad4 said:
SD did ok. Worse than most of CA, but nowhere near as badly as LA.

What did Garcetti do differently? San Jose, Oakland, and SF were all doing the same thing. None of them had 2400 deaths per million.

The problem was not politicians. Most of socal was more relaxed about rules. San Diego got the easy test (wild type covid) LA got the hard test (LA variant). So San Diego got a C and LA got an F.
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Again we will never agree because your only using one standard and that's Covid, I happen to believe that other health, economic, social and educational standards are relevant. Florida crushed California hands down.
 
Grace T. said:
You’ve twisted yourself in circles with the variant and norcalers are more virtuous than socalers when the most obvious explanation really is lines of latitude when you compare what happened in az and Texas including the summer wave. Or: the simplest explanation is usually right.
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Ok. Let’s compare LA to other states at about the same latitude.

You guys did about as well as Arizona or Mississippi, but worse than Vegas, New Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, South Carolina or Georgia. Two ties and nine losses.

What went wrong in LA? You have worse numbers than almost anyone else at your latitude.
 
Desert Hound said:
Why vaccinate the kids?

I am in no hurry to get my kids vaccinated.

Lets look at the numbers to date.

Roughly 600k deaths in the US.

Age 0-17 have 309 deaths so far.
Age 18-29 have 2294 deaths so far.

They have no risk.

The above group accounts for just 0.43% of all deaths.

And what did we do? Shut down schools, sports and universities. Look at that number above and make an argument that the gov did the right thing shutting schools down. They have no risk. And the people who have advocated shutting schools down clearly don't look at data or understand risk.

Lets go to age 49.

Everyone under 49 constituted 4.4% of all deaths.

We shut schools, biz, run around wearing useless masks, etc for these numbers?

Enough of the dog and pony safety theater show.

I am curious to see what stupid rules schools have in place for this coming year. So thankful my kids are not stuck in a public school and have to deal with the idiocy. Being in a charter/private school they had school wise a pretty normal rule. The kids across the street in a public school even just a few days ago were doing a drive through graduation because it was deemed unsafe to do it in person.
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I keep wondering the same thing. I have a 15-year-old. What's a bigger risk for her, the known, extremely low risk of the virus or the likely extremely low risk of the vaccine?
 
dad4 said:
What went wrong in LA? You have worse numbers than almost anyone else at your latitude.
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Nothing went wrong.

It is a virus. Masks don't stop it. People have to work.

The problem is you assume that people will all just stay home and not go out. No work, nada. The reality is rather different. LA was very compliant with the nonsensical rules. It just happens to be a large metro area in which a respiratory virus easily moves around.
 
watfly said:
Again we will never agree because your only using one standard and that's Covid, I happen to believe that other health, economic, social and educational standards are relevant. Florida crushed California hands down.
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Your comparison only works because LA had a different disease than FL.

If you restrict your comparison to places with the same disease, your argument goes nowhere. The rest of CA had just over half as many deaths per capita as FL.

So, if you want to say FL crushed greater LA, you are correct. Just remember that FL was taking the easy test and LA got the hard test. Not too surprising that FL got a D and LA got an F.
 
dad4 said:
Your comparison only works because LA had a different disease than FL.

If you restrict your comparison to places with the same disease, your argument goes nowhere. The rest of CA had just over half as many deaths per capita as FL.

So, if you want to say FL crushed greater LA, you are correct. Just remember that FL was taking the easy test and LA got the hard test. Not too surprising that FL got a D and LA got an F.
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Please. FL didn't get a D.

Just based on deaths per million FL is in the bottom half of the states in the US.

Their deaths per million are close to states all the way down to #35 in the US.

You are just stuck with your models and your wish casting that they work. And are now looking for excuses as to why.

FL's test was no harder vs CA. The difference is CA leadership failed the same test FL was taking.

It is fascinating watching you change the parameters of what you think is great and works and what doesn't all in a feeble attempt to justify interventions that didn't work.

Remember...if you had a kid, in FL they got to go to school in person this past year. The poor, the middle class and the rich kids. CA? Basically nobody got in person classes. The poor? They didn't even get much online classes.

Right there CA gets an F and FL gets an A. FL gave educational opportunities to all the various socio economic groups. CA who is supposedly on the side of the little guy...screwed the less well of as it relates to education.

Then factor in all the people in CA who were put out of work or lost their biz. FL is far ahead in that category as well.

It is an easy win for FL. FL is one of the states that did the best during covid.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
They put hubris in the water up here?
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If you follow the argument, it’s not really about norcal.

I just got tired of people comparing FL to CA, but ignoring the variant.

So I decided to pose a question to which the only honest answers are “variant” and “inadequate housing.”

Which brings us back to,

What went wrong in LA? Why are their numbers so much worse than almost anyone else at their latitude?

It’s not Newsom, because the rest of CA did ok.
It’s not latitude, because you did worse than the rest of your latitude.

What did LA do that was so bad?
 
dad4 said:
If you follow the argument, it’s not really about norcal.

I just got tired of people comparing FL to CA, but ignoring the variant.

So I decided to pose a question to which the only honest answers are “variant” and “inadequate housing.”

Which brings us back to,

What went wrong in LA? Why are their numbers so much worse than almost anyone else at their latitude?

It’s not Newsom, because the rest of CA did ok.
It’s not latitude, because you did worse than the rest of your latitude.

What did LA do that was so bad?
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It's funny. You are down to the variant was confined to La County.

And if you accept that Newsom may have been a variable, you may as well be open to putting it on the LA Board of Supervisors for their really long lockdowns (we know lockdown fatigue is a thing) and their shutting of outdoor dining.
 
Grace T. said:
Cal osha seems set to rule masks into 2022 unless everyone in the work space (tbd) is vaccinated. 2 futures possible: offices to remain remote in California into 2022, everyone ignores it and companies have to employ mask police.
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Seems like the virus only endangers California a now…
 
watfly said:
Fortunately, there are some very good online resources and my high school daughter was able to educate herself.
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Yes. I mentioned this before, but as you all know I don't fear repeating myself. There is going to be a population of students who thrive when they can go at their own pace and don't miss the social aspect of school as well as families that appreciate the flexibility. If I had to guess, the COVID experience will act to skim a bit of the academic cream off the top of public schools.
 
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