Bad News Thread

Now run the numbers on the risk, through me, to other people.

I am not asking whether I personally am at risk. I am not.

I am asking whether my actions cause significant harm to others. I wish you were capable of doing the same.
If you really felt that way you'd already be vaccinated. Teachers were eligible March 1 in California.
 
If you really felt that way you'd already be vaccinated. Teachers were eligible March 1 in California.

It's even broader than "teachers". Child care providers, camp counselors, tutors, coaches (club and school), private trainers, ballet instructors, yoga instructors, college guest lecturers, fellows, horse back riding instructors have all been eligible either under the educator or child care provider label.
 
Assuming you are a teacher, not sure if that is only a label placed on you by others, why haven’t you chosen to be vaccinated?

It would seem that you advocate for vaccination/mitigation and should be eligible. Why not?
My vaccination status is my own business, thank you.
 
I'm not really that good at math, but isn't 94% effective (vaccines) higher than 70% effective (masks)?
Who is arguing that it isn’t?

Given a choice between Moderna and an N95, the vaccine offers better protection to both the individual and the society.
 
I'm late, (not on here as often,) but I just can't get outraged about the non masked two year old getting kicked off a plane. Is it right? Meh- not something I'd personally enforce but not up to me. I feel like people have become very "Watch me make a statement blah blah blah" and in turn do stuff like this that delays everyone's flight. It's like come on- you know the rules by now, pick another airline that doesn't have that rule. If I'm a passenger wanting to get home, I'm not gonna be happy. Seems like a silly thing to make an example out of. Cover the kids face during take off and then loosen up.
 
I'm late, (not on here as often,) but I just can't get outraged about the non masked two year old getting kicked off a plane. Is it right? Meh- not something I'd personally enforce but not up to me. I feel like people have become very "Watch me make a statement blah blah blah" and in turn do stuff like this that delays everyone's flight. It's like come on- you know the rules by now, pick another airline that doesn't have that rule. If I'm a passenger wanting to get home, I'm not gonna be happy. Seems like a silly thing to make an example out of. Cover the kids face during take off and then loosen up.
I'm not aware of any airline in the United States that allows 2 year olds to fly without masks. I think it's in part because of some CDC guideline? After the problem with that autistic kid a while back, IIRC some airlines allow certain very limited exceptions for kids with Downs and very severe autism but there are like many hoops to jump through. The WHO's guidance was to recommend but not mandate for kids 2-5 which is a more reasonable policy, but people are really just pulling arbitrary numbers out their arses here since there isn't any science to exempting a baby more than a 2 year old more than a 5 year old, and there are a lot of 2 year olds out there perfectly capable of wearing masks, and some 7 year olds that just aren't for prolonged periods.
 
I'm late, (not on here as often,) but I just can't get outraged about the non masked two year old getting kicked off a plane. Is it right? Meh- not something I'd personally enforce but not up to me. I feel like people have become very "Watch me make a statement blah blah blah" and in turn do stuff like this that delays everyone's flight. It's like come on- you know the rules by now, pick another airline that doesn't have that rule. If I'm a passenger wanting to get home, I'm not gonna be happy. Seems like a silly thing to make an example out of. Cover the kids face during take off and then loosen up.
Understand your point, but based on the accounts the flight attendant did not give the family the option to comply instead just told them to deplane our she would call the cops. The other passengers were supportive of the family. A Spirit Airlines supervisor subsequently, and correctly so, allowed them back on the plane. We're it not for the flight attendant's hysteria and gross overreaction none of this would have ever happened. In my mind it was a "silly thing" for the flight attendant to make an example out of and lighten up, not the family. And yes, I agree I would be pissed if my flight had been delayed regardless of who is at fault.
 
The WHO's guidance was to recommend but not mandate for kids 2-5 which is a more reasonable policy, but people are really just pulling arbitrary numbers out their arses here since there isn't any science to exempting a baby more than a 2 year old more than a 5 year old, and there are a lot of 2 year olds out there perfectly capable of wearing masks, and some 7 year olds that just aren't for prolonged periods.
7 year olds? I personally know a 55 year old that has a hard time wearing a mask for a prolonged period of time. :D
 
Understand your point, but based on the accounts the flight attendant did not give the family the option to comply instead just told them to deplane our she would call the cops. The other passengers were supportive of the family. A Spirit Airlines supervisor subsequently, and correctly so, allowed them back on the plane. We're it not for the flight attendant's hysteria and gross overreaction none of this would have ever happened. In my mind it was a "silly thing" for the flight attendant to make an example out of and lighten up, not the family. And yes, I agree I would be pissed if my flight had been delayed regardless of who is at fault.

I didn't see any actions by the flight attendant that I would characterize as "hysteria".
 
Well in your defense you are getting picked on (myself included), but in our defense you keep stepping in it...IMO.
You mean I keep disagreeing with you.

That’s fine. A quality disagreement is helpful. Grace’s comments on masks and in-home transmission increased my understanding of how to think about the value of mask usage.

Most of this thread has devolved into a very low quality disgreement. I say that I feel it is irresponsible to put a 2 year old on a plane during a respiratory pandemic. Grace assumes that, therefore, I must give dirty looks to nursing mothers.

No basis in fact. No attempt to understand and learn the opposing point of view. Just a random insult with a tenuous link to my comment.

Oh well. Serves me right for expecting civility online. Hope your day is good. :)
 
Hope your day is good. :)
You as well. It's been good days and getting better. I feel lucky that our family will come out of Covid relatively unscathed (despite my complaining). I do feel sad for others and I'm still concerned about the long term impact to our community for the loss of real education and small business for a year. Their are some silver linings but they don't outweigh the negative impacts of Covid and the lockdowns.
 
You mean I keep disagreeing with you.

That’s fine. A quality disagreement is helpful. Grace’s comments on masks and in-home transmission increased my understanding of how to think about the value of mask usage.

Most of this thread has devolved into a very low quality disgreement. I say that I feel it is irresponsible to put a 2 year old on a plane during a respiratory pandemic. Grace assumes that, therefore, I must give dirty looks to nursing mothers.

No basis in fact. No attempt to understand and learn the opposing point of view. Just a random insult with a tenuous link to my comment.

Oh well. Serves me right for expecting civility online. Hope your day is good. :)

You specifically said 2 year olds should not be put on planes. You singled them out, saying there was no reason for them to be.

You could have said no one should be flying except for certain reasons such as unavoidable business emergencies, health emergencies or funerals or the like, but you didn't. But you didn't...you singled out the family for flying with a 2 year old.

What's worse is you made a judgement on a family for carving out their own exception, when you did the same with your tournament.

I said that was like people who don't like babies crying on planes or seeing nursing mothers (because they don't think it's "appropriate" and make judgements on the parents, which is what you did). If you didn't carry that sentiment: a) you should have phrased it some other way, and b) you were given plenty of opportunity to rebut what you meant but the best you came up with was when kicking gave you a door out you were only half-joking.

By way of personal attacks, it's also pretty weak (as weak as calling you authoritarian). The logical response is to say "no I'd never call out a family for flying with a baby or 2 year old except during a pandemic" (which I suspect you didn't do because it would leave you open to a criticism well what about for example a family that's moving, or a 2 year old going to a funeral and you didn't want to rebut each "what if" since it would leave you increasingly on an ever smaller iceberg) or "no I'd never call out a nursing mother" but I suspect the reason you take such criticism so harshly is because it hits a little too close to home. You are free to correct the record, and I'm sure all of us would give more than willingly give you the benefit of the doubt. We all misspeak and it would be uncharitable not to take you at your word.
 
I say that I feel it is irresponsible to put a 2 year old on a plane during a respiratory pandemic. Grace assumes that, therefore, I must give dirty looks to nursing mothers.
This is where AGAIN you divert from data.

There is nothing irresponsible about putting a 2 yr old on the plane.

The data shows that kids have pretty much zero risk. Further the data shows they are not spreaders.

So while you may FEEL it is irresponsible, the actual real world data says there is absolutely no issue with having them on planes.
 
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