Bruddah IZ
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Desert Hound
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Interesting how open vs closed states look rather similar.
"What can we conclude from such a visualization? It suggests that the lockdowns have had no statistically observable effect on the virus trajectory and resulting severe outcomes. The open states have generally performed better, perhaps not because they are open but simply for reasons of demographics and seasonality. The closed states seem not to have achieved anything in terms of mitigation. "
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"What’s striking about all the above predictions of infections and deaths is not just that they were all wrong. It’s the arrogance and confidence behind each of them. After a full year and directly observing the inability of “nonpharmaceutical interventions” to manage the pathogen, the experts are still wedded to their beloved lockdowns, unable or unwilling to look at the data and learn anything from them.
The concept of lockdowns stemmed from a faulty premise: that you can separate humans, like rats in cages, and therefore control and even eradicate the virus. After a year, we unequivocally know this not to be true, something that the best and wisest epidemiologists knew all along. Essential workers still must work; they must go home to their families, many in crowded living conditions. Lockdowns do not eliminate the virus, they merely shift the burden onto the working class.
Now we can see the failure in black, white, and full color, daily appearing on our screens courtesy of the CDC. Has that shaken the pro-lockdown pundit class? Not that much. What an amazing testament to the stubbornness of elite opinion and its bias against basic freedoms."
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"What can we conclude from such a visualization? It suggests that the lockdowns have had no statistically observable effect on the virus trajectory and resulting severe outcomes. The open states have generally performed better, perhaps not because they are open but simply for reasons of demographics and seasonality. The closed states seem not to have achieved anything in terms of mitigation. "
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"What’s striking about all the above predictions of infections and deaths is not just that they were all wrong. It’s the arrogance and confidence behind each of them. After a full year and directly observing the inability of “nonpharmaceutical interventions” to manage the pathogen, the experts are still wedded to their beloved lockdowns, unable or unwilling to look at the data and learn anything from them.
The concept of lockdowns stemmed from a faulty premise: that you can separate humans, like rats in cages, and therefore control and even eradicate the virus. After a year, we unequivocally know this not to be true, something that the best and wisest epidemiologists knew all along. Essential workers still must work; they must go home to their families, many in crowded living conditions. Lockdowns do not eliminate the virus, they merely shift the burden onto the working class.
Now we can see the failure in black, white, and full color, daily appearing on our screens courtesy of the CDC. Has that shaken the pro-lockdown pundit class? Not that much. What an amazing testament to the stubbornness of elite opinion and its bias against basic freedoms."
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"So it was in Texas. Thanks to this Twitter thread, and some of my own googling, we have a nice archive of predictions about what would happen if Texas opened. "
- California Governor Gavin Newsom said that opening Texas was “absolutely reckless.”
- Gregg Popovich, head coach of the NBA San Antonio Spurs, said opening was “ridiculous” and “ignorant.”
- CNN quoted an ICU nurse saying “I’m scared of what this is going to look like.”
- Vanity Fair went over the top with this headline: “Republican Governors Celebrate COVID Anniversary With Bold Plan to Kill Another 500,000 Americans.”
- There was the inevitable Dr. Fauci: “It just is inexplicable why you would want to pull back now.”
- Robert Francis “Beto” O’Rourke of Texas revealed himself to be a full-blown lockdowner: It’s a “big mistake,” he said. “It’s hard to escape the conclusion that it’s also a cult of death.” He accused the governor of “sacrificing the lives of our fellow Texans … for political gain.”
- James Hamblin, a doctor and writer for the Atlantic, said in a Tweet liked by 20K people: “Ending precautions now is like entering the last miles of a marathon and taking off your shoes and eating several hot dogs.”
- Bestselling author Kurt Eichenwald flipped out: “Goddamn. Texas already has FIVE variants that have turned up: Britain, South Africa, Brazil, New York & CA. The NY and CA variants could weaken vaccine effectiveness. And now idiot @GregAbbott_TX throws open the state.” He further called the government “murderous.”
- Epidemiologist Whitney Robinson wrote: “I feel genuinely sad. There are people who are going to get sick and die bc of avoidable infections they get in the next few weeks. It’s demoralizing.”
- Pundit Bill Kristol (I had no idea that he was a lockdowner) wrote: “Gov. Abbott is going to be responsible for more avoidable COVID hospitalizations and deaths than all the undocumented immigrants coming across the Texas border put together.”
- Health pundit Bob Wachter said the decision to open was “unforgivable.”
- Virus guru Michael Osterholm told CNN: “We’re walking into the mouth of the monster. We simply are.”
- Joe Biden famously said that the Texas decision to open reflected “Neanderthal thinking.”
- Nutritionist Eric Feigl-Ding said that the decision makes him want to “vomit so bad.”
- The chairman of the state’s Democratic Party said: “What Abbott is doing is extraordinarily dangerous. This will kill Texans. Our country’s infectious-disease specialists have warned that we should not put our guard down, even as we make progress towards vaccinations. Abbott doesn’t care.”
- Other state Democrats said in a letter that the decision was “premature and harmful.”
- The CDC’s Rochelle Walensky didn’t mince words: “Please hear me clearly: At this level of cases with variants spreading, we stand to completely lose the hard-earned ground we have gained. I am really worried about reports that more states are rolling back the exact public health measures we have recommended to protect people from COVID-19.”
- @dad4 thought it was a terrible idea to open up.
Why Is Everyone in Texas Not Dying?
"Now we can see the failure in black, white, and full color, daily appearing on our screens courtesy of the CDC. Has that shaken the pro-lockdown pundit class? Not that much. What an amazing testament to the stubbornness of elite opinion and its bias against basic freedoms. They might all echo...
www.aier.org
kickingandscreaming
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He needs to listen to @dad4's advice and quit making predictions
The power of group think when you have a narrative to push.Interesting how open vs closed states look rather similar.
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"What can we conclude from such a visualization? It suggests that the lockdowns have had no statistically observable effect on the virus trajectory and resulting severe outcomes. The open states have generally performed better, perhaps not because they are open but simply for reasons of demographics and seasonality. The closed states seem not to have achieved anything in terms of mitigation. "
--
"What’s striking about all the above predictions of infections and deaths is not just that they were all wrong. It’s the arrogance and confidence behind each of them. After a full year and directly observing the inability of “nonpharmaceutical interventions” to manage the pathogen, the experts are still wedded to their beloved lockdowns, unable or unwilling to look at the data and learn anything from them.
The concept of lockdowns stemmed from a faulty premise: that you can separate humans, like rats in cages, and therefore control and even eradicate the virus. After a year, we unequivocally know this not to be true, something that the best and wisest epidemiologists knew all along. Essential workers still must work; they must go home to their families, many in crowded living conditions. Lockdowns do not eliminate the virus, they merely shift the burden onto the working class.
Now we can see the failure in black, white, and full color, daily appearing on our screens courtesy of the CDC. Has that shaken the pro-lockdown pundit class? Not that much. What an amazing testament to the stubbornness of elite opinion and its bias against basic freedoms."
--
"So it was in Texas. Thanks to this Twitter thread, and some of my own googling, we have a nice archive of predictions about what would happen if Texas opened. "
- California Governor Gavin Newsom said that opening Texas was “absolutely reckless.”
- Gregg Popovich, head coach of the NBA San Antonio Spurs, said opening was “ridiculous” and “ignorant.”
- CNN quoted an ICU nurse saying “I’m scared of what this is going to look like.”
- Vanity Fair went over the top with this headline: “Republican Governors Celebrate COVID Anniversary With Bold Plan to Kill Another 500,000 Americans.”
- There was the inevitable Dr. Fauci: “It just is inexplicable why you would want to pull back now.”
- Robert Francis “Beto” O’Rourke of Texas revealed himself to be a full-blown lockdowner: It’s a “big mistake,” he said. “It’s hard to escape the conclusion that it’s also a cult of death.” He accused the governor of “sacrificing the lives of our fellow Texans … for political gain.”
- James Hamblin, a doctor and writer for the Atlantic, said in a Tweet liked by 20K people: “Ending precautions now is like entering the last miles of a marathon and taking off your shoes and eating several hot dogs.”
- Bestselling author Kurt Eichenwald flipped out: “Goddamn. Texas already has FIVE variants that have turned up: Britain, South Africa, Brazil, New York & CA. The NY and CA variants could weaken vaccine effectiveness. And now idiot @GregAbbott_TX throws open the state.” He further called the government “murderous.”
- Epidemiologist Whitney Robinson wrote: “I feel genuinely sad. There are people who are going to get sick and die bc of avoidable infections they get in the next few weeks. It’s demoralizing.”
- Pundit Bill Kristol (I had no idea that he was a lockdowner) wrote: “Gov. Abbott is going to be responsible for more avoidable COVID hospitalizations and deaths than all the undocumented immigrants coming across the Texas border put together.”
- Health pundit Bob Wachter said the decision to open was “unforgivable.”
- Virus guru Michael Osterholm told CNN: “We’re walking into the mouth of the monster. We simply are.”
- Joe Biden famously said that the Texas decision to open reflected “Neanderthal thinking.”
- Nutritionist Eric Feigl-Ding said that the decision makes him want to “vomit so bad.”
- The chairman of the state’s Democratic Party said: “What Abbott is doing is extraordinarily dangerous. This will kill Texans. Our country’s infectious-disease specialists have warned that we should not put our guard down, even as we make progress towards vaccinations. Abbott doesn’t care.”
- Other state Democrats said in a letter that the decision was “premature and harmful.”
- The CDC’s Rochelle Walensky didn’t mince words: “Please hear me clearly: At this level of cases with variants spreading, we stand to completely lose the hard-earned ground we have gained. I am really worried about reports that more states are rolling back the exact public health measures we have recommended to protect people from COVID-19.”
- @dad4 thought it was a terrible idea to open up.
Why Is Everyone in Texas Not Dying?
"Now we can see the failure in black, white, and full color, daily appearing on our screens courtesy of the CDC. Has that shaken the pro-lockdown pundit class? Not that much. What an amazing testament to the stubbornness of elite opinion and its bias against basic freedoms. They might all echo...
I still think that Texas may see a small spike....it's just the nature of the virus.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Visits the nature of our immune systems. Pretty amazing system compared to today's poorly equipped vaccines.
Really? Do you really believe that? Is it now a serious organization that we should get behind?
So...based on this serious organization's latest messaging, I should lock myself and my family back in my house (never did that), order take out food, and wait for the impending doom waters to recede?
Government agencies rarely change how they do business. Their surface rhetoric may change based on appointed leadership Below the surface it continues to grind away. What is the CDC saying now that it wasn't saying 6 months ago? Has their website changed so radically that their messaging is different?
Bruddah IZ
DA
On the contrary. OSHA is an agency of the government that has not certified the use of the mask we are using, allegedly, against viruses. Hence the OSHA mandated warning on the mask packaging. The CDC is in violation of OSHA mandates.
whatithink
GOLD
I doubt OSHA has the resources to certify every mask that has come out from every major, minor and Mom & Pop retailer in the last 12 or so months, even if they wanted to.
OSHA "generally recommends" and "strongly encourages" mask usage. It does NOT state that its any type of panacea and states that it is not a substitute for social distancing.
TBH, their guidance seems pretty common sense and straight forward to me, along the lines of masks help, something is better than nothing, some masks are better than others, none of them are a substitute for social distancing.
I'm not a particular fan of masks, but I wear them, not least out of respect and courtesy to the employees of the stores, restaurants etc. that I am using and that are asking me to. I want them open, I want people in jobs, and if that means I need to wear a mask into a store, then so what. If I need to wear one to walk to a table in a restaurant, so what. Its an annoyance basically, but it'll pass soon enough I expect once we hit some critical mass on vaccines.
COVID-19 - Frequently Asked Questions | Occupational Safety and Health Administration (osha.gov)
Going back to the tired old argument that, if weather is a big factor, then nothing else matters?
I'd think that the UK experience in early 2021 would be enough to retire that claim. Bad variant, short sunlight, winter weather, ... and improving cases.
We can also point to AU/NZ in May-July 2020. Or Vermont. Or Canada. Or Harbin.
BIZ tried this bogus argument, though he isn't lucid enough to state it. It doesn't hold up. Weather is a major factor. Weather is not proof of inevitably. Next argument.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Sounds good. If Something is better than nothing why did we lock down the entire economy? Many business’s remained closed. Schools and gyms stayed closed for most of the last year. All of which were willing to mandate mask AND social distancing. They were all denied due process. Like OSHA, CDC is obviously not equipped to handle all the moving pieces of a pandemic. They picked winners and losers to keep us from going Mad Max.
I think it clearly is weather but we don't understand really the mechanisms at work. It's not as easy as cold weather ---> people go indoors. Otherwise, you have to somehow explain away why outbreaks happen at the same time across latitudes (SoCal and Florida in the summer 2020 for example) despite not being directly connected. I agree mobility is another factor. Density (Vermont or Norway for example), is another factor, though it doesn't seem to be helping either this time around. You can't cite AU/NZ/China....I think we both agree that very robust lockdowns are effective, where we disagree is the morality, legality and the utility (given the cost/benefit exchange)
Bruddah IZ
DA
Speaking of non-lucid, r-squared is not weather. Babble on.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Don’t forget the 12,800 pandemics since 1978.
Care to explain your r squared argument?
Not cut and paste page after page from some internet loon. Actually think and explain your position.
Seeing as you seem to have outsourced your thinking to Tom Wood, I don't expect we will see much.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Lol! Come on stat guy. You’ve made my argument for me several times.
Hüsker Dü
DA
Yeah I can see why you can’t answer that in the way you did Vietnam.
Hüsker Dü
DA
Never have never will.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Hanapaa!!
whatithink
GOLD
Hindsight is 2020. I assume when you say "They", you are talking about various legislatures rather than OSHA or the CDC. The beauty of that is that they can be voted out if enough people agree with you.