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Woobie06 said:
So 4/5 people should be beholden to the needs of the 1/5? Business, freedoms, work, life, etc., so 1/5 can dictate the path forward...it’s like 1/5 kids struggle in school and need tutoring, so all kids get mandated tutoring whether they need it or not...one size fits all solutions very rarely work...you just spelled out the Pareto Principle ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle) ....crazy when the tail wags the dog.

600k cancer deaths a year....the Flu Death estimates are 30-65k, but we are going to change the way we live for Covid...does the other stuff not matter anymore?

The at-risk cross section should not be driving decisions or behaviors for those with low risk. The at risk group needs to be managed differently. It is not all or nothing, one way or no way.

200k is .058% of the population in the US. Lots of people and very, very tragic. Not minimizing that. 99.942% are left. There has to be a better way than what is being done currently. Suicide, mental health, social, economic, etc, etc. all these factors matter in making policy, decisions, and a path forward. It’s multi-dimensional. Problem is this board is a microcosm of the world. We can’t agree on shit, and the end results are mandated solutions that blow.
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I agree that one size fits all doesn't work.
Grace T. said:
I'm hearing some chatter that the governor may put SoCal back into at least partial lockdown (or at a minimum halt reopening) because he's worried about things exploding with the 4th. If so that seriously sets back the season which means no way for tournaments to go in August, and season at best becomes a 50/50 proposition.

That doesn't remove his 4th problem if he allows protests to continue because 4th celebrations are speech. The line of flag burning cases pretty much established that, so restrictions must be content neutral and you can't prohibit one and not the other or even limit gathering sizes.

I'm also beginning to think that one of the drivers of this has been not just the protests (which are outside which would reduce transmission) but gatherings in public homes (whether before people head out for protests, or parties, b days, weddings, wakes and because they have no where else to go) and cars on the way to and from. It would explain why it's happening with younger people who are the ones doing the gatherings. If true, both the new lockdowns and mask wearing will do nothing to stop that vector because short of Chinese style house arrest the gatherings (in aircon) will continue to happen and people don't wear masks in other people's houses.
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Yeah....I already determined the 20/21 soccer season is gone here in socal and I doubt very seriously kids will be back at school. I have been managing my family's activities based on risk of infection but the Government doesn't appear to be managing on the same basis. I knew when the protests happened the blame in increases were going to be all on the protests even though we opened at the same time. The combination of the two makes it impossible to know what contributed more to the current increases here in OC. Of course if they were appropriately contact tracing they would know but they would never tell us. I doubt very seriously there is any appropriately organized contact tracing occurring in OC because they won't even list restaurants where COVID infections have caused shut down so people can get tested.
 
Soccermaverick said:
Whose mother is this...? Outlaw did you let your mom out of her sex dungeon again?

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My mother died of cancer a couple of years ago... but thanks for asking.

Is the lady wrong? The pussies in charge of these cities let morons block freeways, burn down businesses and walk up and down streets wearing no masks. Aren't YOU tired of being told to do something the feral savages aren't doing? You think THIS lady is responsible for the spike? Do you see videos of HER walking out of department stores with an armful of stolen goods because security can't stop her? Was SHE driving on meth, THC and Fentanyl while passing counterfeit money? Could it have been HER holding a gun to a pregnant woman's belly while robbing her?

A couple of bullets to 1-2 heads would have solved this problem very early. Making an example can save lives. Trump wants law, order and an economy that's robust and employs people. Libtards and their media want hate, rage, and chaos. You decide which one YOU want.
 
Grace T. said:
I'm hearing some chatter that the governor may put SoCal back into at least partial lockdown (or at a minimum halt reopening) because he's worried about things exploding with the 4th. If so that seriously sets back the season which means no way for tournaments to go in August, and season at best becomes a 50/50 proposition.

That doesn't remove his 4th problem if he allows protests to continue because 4th celebrations are speech. The line of flag burning cases pretty much established that, so restrictions must be content neutral and you can't prohibit one and not the other or even limit gathering sizes.

I'm also beginning to think that one of the drivers of this has been not just the protests (which are outside which would reduce transmission) but gatherings in public homes (whether before people head out for protests, or parties, b days, weddings, wakes and because they have no where else to go) and cars on the way to and from. It would explain why it's happening with younger people who are the ones doing the gatherings. If true, both the new lockdowns and mask wearing will do nothing to stop that vector because short of Chinese style house arrest the gatherings (in aircon) will continue to happen and people don't wear masks in other people's houses.
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Good, that’s what you idiots deserve. If you want to live vicariously through your kids, put on your mask and stay home.

There is no stopping protests. Period. Get over it. The Governor is not going to shoot and tear people and he shouldn’t. Protests are not an excuse for you and your mostly racist anti-science moron friends to continue being idiots about the things you actually can control. I get that you don’t believe that systemic racism and police brutality justify protesting and the collateral covid damage that will inevitably result from it. Well, too bad, that is out of your control. At any rate, millions upon millions of people disagree with you, whereas there are only a handful of racists in CA who think protests are a great excuse to get a haircut. But like you said, there is no one-size-fits all solution, so protests can happen because this is not a police state and actual and real constitutional concerns exist about trying to stop them even if you don’t use bullets and tear gas. You going to Applebees or kiddie team sports right now, well, that is just stupid.

I am not at all surprised that you’re all now blaming black people for the fact that lil’ Kaityln, Caitlin, Katelyn, and Kate-Lyn can’t play soccer right now. That is what racists do. How dare they get upset about getting murdered by the police and systemically discriminated against at all steps of life, right? Shelter-in-place is their fault because they and their friends got all uppity over something that you don’t consider to be a big deal?

If you want protests to stop, more of you need to actually show empathy for what is happening to them instead of blaming them that you need to keep using DoorDash. In other words, the protests are not the fault of the people protesting. They are direct consequence of the fact that there are too many people like you who are ok with racism and police brutality.
 
EOTL said:
Good, that’s what you idiots deserve. If you want to live vicariously through your kids, put on your mask and stay home.

There is no stopping protests. Period. Get over it. The Governor is not going to shoot and tear people and he shouldn’t. Protests are not an excuse for you and your mostly racist anti-science moron friends to continue being idiots about the things you actually can control. I get that you don’t believe that systemic racism and police brutality justify protesting and the collateral covid damage that will inevitably result from it. Well, too bad, that is out of your control. At any rate, millions upon millions of people disagree with you, whereas there are only a handful of racists in CA who think protests are a great excuse to get a haircut. But like you said, there is no one-size-fits all solution, so protests can happen because this is not a police state and actual and real constitutional concerns exist about trying to stop them even if you don’t use bullets and tear gas. You going to Applebees or kiddie team sports right now, well, that is just stupid.

I am not at all surprised that you’re all now blaming black people for the fact that lil’ Kaityln, Caitlin, Katelyn, and Kate-Lyn can’t play soccer right now. That is what racists do. How dare they get upset about getting murdered by the police and systemically discriminated against at all steps of life, right? Shelter-in-place is their fault because they and their friends got all uppity over something that you don’t consider to be a big deal?

If you want protests to stop, more of you need to actually show empathy for what is happening to them instead of blaming them that you need to keep using DoorDash. In other words, the protests are not the fault of the people protesting. They are direct consequence of the fact that there are too many people like you who are ok with racism and police brutality.
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You know who doesn't have a problem with police? Everyone else.
 
So I came up with an idea based on all the data I gathered on this message board. 100% of the Docs say if you live in a nursing home, have cancer, heart disease, hypertension, lung issues and obesity, you need to stay home for sure and try not to end your last days at a nursing home. Be nice to your children so they will help you when your 85. If your over 60, you need to be extra careful. Now for the rest of us, we should all wear mask to be safe and 6 ft keep away from others. If everyone did this, we would beat this sucker. Protest safely is all I ask is all I ask. TGIF
 
The Outlaw said:
My mother died of cancer a couple of years ago... but thanks for asking.

Is the lady wrong? The pussies in charge of these cities let morons block freeways, burn down businesses and walk up and down streets wearing no masks. Aren't YOU tired of being told to do something the feral savages aren't doing? You think THIS lady is responsible for the spike? Do you see videos of HER walking out of department stores with an armful of stolen goods because security can't stop her? Was SHE driving on meth, THC and Fentanyl while passing counterfeit money? Could it have been HER holding a gun to a pregnant woman's belly while robbing her?

A couple of bullets to 1-2 heads would have solved this problem very early. Making an example can save lives. Trump wants law, order and an economy that's robust and employs people. Libtards and their media want hate, rage, and chaos. You decide which one YOU want.
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@Soccermaverick, I think what he is saying is it’s his half-sister/cousin/wife.
 
Man the bar for racism has gotten really low these days. I'm obviously a super racist because I use whataboutisms and I want my kid to play soccer right now. I guess all the money I've raised the last 15 years for programs for underprivileged kids (mostly minorities) is just due to my white guilt and trying to make myself feel better about my obvious prejudice.
 
watfly said:
Man the bar for racism has gotten really low these days. I'm obviously a super racist because I use whataboutisms and I want my kid to play soccer right now. I guess all the money I've raised for programs for underprivileged kids (mostly minorities) is just due to my white guilt and trying to make myself feel better about my obvious prejudice.
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Many were taught, at an early age, if you can't get what you want... throw a tantrum or cry. Plenty of that going on the last 2 weeks.
 
EOTL said:
4/5 are beholden to 1/5, eh? You’re making up numbers that, coincidentally almost exactly backwards. Actually, 75% of Californians supported the shelter-in-place rules when they were in effect.

Really, it’s only about 1/10th of Californians who think there’s a constitutional right to go to Costco without a mask.

But I love the detach-from-reality make up numbers game; let’s play! 87.763636% of Californians agree that most soccer parents are idiots. 71.9966% believe soccer is the worst of team sports .0000000000001% of those who committed suicide did so due to covid shelter-in-place rules, whereas there would have been a 65.88665% increase had there been no shelter-in-place because they were distraught that grandma died of covid. Business would be down two hundred bazillion percent ifcwe hadn’t sheltered-in-place and 8x as many people had died of covid so far.
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Actually, I was using the prior posters 20% example and ran with it, and bringing up the Pareto Principle since it matched. Not making up numbers...although the Pareto Principle does have some merit. I’d be willing to wager that 80%+ percent of the deaths are from a 20%- group: age, pre-existing, etc...Focus the effort on the 20% not the 100%...I’m not talking about this in terms of soccer...my kid will done with soccer around 22...she will have 70 more years + on the earth god willing...soccer is a thing she does, not who she is, and is not the most important thing in the world by a long shot. She does love it, and does want to play. In fact they have camps starting Sunday and she can’t wait.

I’m suggesting that we have adjusted plans for groups that are more at risk than others and that it should not be a one-size-fits all approach....the absolutes are getting real old...all cops are racist, everyone carries the same risk, etc...blah...blah...blah. I support wearing a mask and following the rules/laws even if I don’t necessarily agree with them.

I actually said in an earlier post that I agree with what Newsome did originally and lock us down, as we had very little information at the time. Things change over time and the lack of creativity, and leadership is astonishing, but I digress. All these little tweaks and rules give the appearance of action when none is really being taken. It’s an illusion. My numbers were the 200k (death count)/340mm (est. us pop). They were back of the napkin used for perspective. Not intended for Govt or commercial use.
 
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watfly said:
Man the bar for racism has gotten really low these days. I'm obviously a super racist because I use whataboutisms and I want my kid to play soccer right now. I guess all the money I've raised for programs for underprivileged kids (mostly minorities) is just due to my white guilt and trying to make myself feel better about my obvious prejudice.
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@watfly only......God knows the truth and he knows the motives of everyone's heart. Not for us to judge. One day a time. My true friends, who are my bros, know the truth and that's what matters. Not a message board thank God. Lot's of pain going around and that fear virus is real. I have so much to share but I wont because no one knows me here and I have no need to share my life anymore. I came here to talk girls soccer. I do hope for peace and all of us to care for each other and listen to each other without violence. Keep helping everyone :)
 
The Outlaw said:
My mother died of cancer a couple of years ago... but thanks for asking.

Is the lady wrong? The pussies in charge of these cities let morons block freeways, burn down businesses and walk up and down streets wearing no masks. Aren't YOU tired of being told to do something the feral savages aren't doing? You think THIS lady is responsible for the spike? Do you see videos of HER walking out of department stores with an armful of stolen goods because security can't stop her? Was SHE driving on meth, THC and Fentanyl while passing counterfeit money? Could it have been HER holding a gun to a pregnant woman's belly while robbing her?

A couple of bullets to 1-2 heads would have solved this problem very early. Making an example can save lives. Trump wants law, order and an economy that's robust and employs people. Libtards and their media want hate, rage, and chaos. You decide which one YOU want.
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With all due respect... did she die from mouth cancer... you should get yours checked...it may be hereditary...

Wow in the same paragraph

“A couple of bullets to 1-2 heads would have solved this problem very early.Libtards and their media want hate, rage, and chaos”

Outlaw...you really should not be around children
 
EOTL said:
There is no stopping protests. Period. Get over it. The Governor is not going to shoot and tear people and he shouldn’t. Protests are not an excuse for you and your mostly racist anti-science moron friends to continue being idiots about the things you actually can control. I get that you don’t believe that systemic racism and police brutality justify protesting and the collateral covid damage that will inevitably result from it. Well, too bad, that is out of your control. At any rate, millions upon millions of people disagree with you, whereas there are only a handful of racists in CA who think protests are a great excuse to get a haircut. But like you said, there is no one-size-fits all solution, so protests can happen because this is not a police state and actual and real constitutional concerns exist about trying to stop them even if you don’t use bullets and tear gas. You going to Applebees or kiddie team sports right now, well, that is just stupid.
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Errr....if your limiting principle is first amendment activities should be allowed but other businesses are expendable, it would be an o.k. limiting principle. But realize the implications of what you are saying. First amendment restrictions must be content neutral. That means Trump rallies, antiabortion pickets and even KKK marches must be o.k. That also means 4th of July celebrations if privately organized must be allowed to go on. The line of flag burning cases made very clear that this is speech, and as such is not subject to Constitutional restrictions. Also protected under the 1st amendment is religion. It means worship service,s funerals, and weddings (at least religious ones) are protected as well.

Next, even if the protests can't be limited that doesn't mean that government figures shouldn't say they aren't a great idea. But some have even gone out of their way to encourage them as an exception, saying social justice is just way too important. That had the secondary effect of convincing much of the public the experts weren't serious about anything (including masks) and they should just have at it. So in a very real way, the protestor are ver responsible for what's happened. As I wrote above, I think the primary driver of this is now private gatherings and short of Chinese style house arrest I'm not sure any lockdowns or mask orders will do anything.

Lastly, your accusation of racism is not only insulting but bigoted. I'm a 4x minority and have experienced discrimination in my life 4 different ways. Please check your privilege. How many minority credits you got?
 
watfly said:
Man the bar for racism has gotten really low these days. I'm obviously a super racist because I use whataboutisms and I want my kid to play soccer right now. I guess all the money I've raised the last 15 years for programs for underprivileged kids (mostly minorities) is just due to my white guilt and trying to make myself feel better about my obvious prejudice.
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Who called you a super racist?
 
Ellejustus said:
@watfly only......God knows the truth and he knows the motives of everyone's heart. Not for us to judge. One day a time. My true friends, who are my bros, know the truth and that's what matters. Not a message board thank God. Lot's of pain going around and that fear virus is real. I have so much to share but I wont because no one knows me here and I have no need to share my life anymore. I came here to talk girls soccer. I do hope for peace and all of us to care for each other and listen to each other without violence. Keep helping everyone :)
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Thanks for your support, but EOTL has shown me the light. I'm resigning my youth organization Board position and making protest signs right now. I'm also prepping my statue removal ropes since Gov Coumo has called statue removal a "healthy expression". It's time to do something substantive and not virtue signal about helping underprivileged kids.;)
 
When Sheriff Joe and Outlaw enter the room you know things have taken a turn for the worst but when people respond to them, that is when I exit. Goodbye!
 
MacDre said:
Who called you a super racist?
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No one. It was just a sarcastic response to EOTL's claims.

On another note and this is a genuine question to one of your posts. In a previous post I had claimed that the lockdown particularly as it relates to education is disproportionally impacting underprivileged kids and that the quality of education was an issue before Covid and the lockdown is only making it worse. (You busted on GraceT claiming that she only cares about it now which I felt was unfair, but so be it, she can defend herself).

Now the genuine question, how would you go about improving the education system for minorities? I believe you mentioned your an attorney? and obviously your wife is very accomplished (congrats for her award) so I think you would be uniquely qualified to address this question. In a generic sense, I feel schools need more accountability and/or competition. While I'm in favor of school choice (ie competition), and realize its maybe not considered PC, I don't think it gets to the root of the problem. Honestly, just curious about your opinion, not trying to debate you.
 
EOTL said:
Good, that’s what you idiots deserve. If you want to live vicariously through your kids, put on your mask and stay home.

There is no stopping protests. Period. Get over it. The Governor is not going to shoot and tear people and he shouldn’t. Protests are not an excuse for you and your mostly racist anti-science moron friends to continue being idiots about the things you actually can control. I get that you don’t believe that systemic racism and police brutality justify protesting and the collateral covid damage that will inevitably result from it. Well, too bad, that is out of your control. At any rate, millions upon millions of people disagree with you, whereas there are only a handful of racists in CA who think protests are a great excuse to get a haircut. But like you said, there is no one-size-fits all solution, so protests can happen because this is not a police state and actual and real constitutional concerns exist about trying to stop them even if you don’t use bullets and tear gas. You going to Applebees or kiddie team sports right now, well, that is just stupid.

I am not at all surprised that you’re all now blaming black people for the fact that lil’ Kaityln, Caitlin, Katelyn, and Kate-Lyn can’t play soccer right now. That is what racists do. How dare they get upset about getting murdered by the police and systemically discriminated against at all steps of life, right? Shelter-in-place is their fault because they and their friends got all uppity over something that you don’t consider to be a big deal?

If you want protests to stop, more of you need to actually show empathy for what is happening to them instead of blaming them that you need to keep using DoorDash. In other words, the protests are not the fault of the people protesting. They are direct consequence of the fact that there are too many people like you who are ok with racism and police brutality.
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Step one: praise protests during an epidemic.

Step two: accuse other people of being anti-science.

Apparently EOTL doesn’t believe epidemiology is a science? Or maybe he just doesn’t think the rules apply to him.

If you want the current windbag out of the oval office, stop spreading disease in the streets and start making phone calls for the Democrats. I know it is less fun than tearing down statues of abolitionist war heroes, but it is long past time to grow up.
 
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