War in Ukraine soon?

The first time you make sense, will be the first time you make sense. But you do you.
Just a quote I read on social media and thought it was right in line with someone preferring a dictator. King=dictator, get it?
 
Unless you think a large air deployment would cause the oligarchs/military/FSB to overthrow Putin before any Russians and Americans are killed, then your assumption is incorrect. Russia is organized like the mob....weakness is a sign to overthrow the Don...Putin cannot show weakness so he'll lob bombs on European airbases and roll the die, hoping Biden is too senile or weak to respond in kind. You yourself said he's a gambler...the only way out of your hypothetical is you think a show of strength forces his overthrow, which is a huge roll of the dice, because if that doesn't happen, it's almost a guaranteed nuclear exchange. Again, you don't know what happens in five years and the sanctions the US has in place and the unexpected losses are certainly enough to make him (and particularly China which as you've said) is all business.

Sorry...this exchange is most illuminating as to the workings of your mind.... couldn't understand before why you took the positions you did so I ascribed it all to "religion"....but it may be as simple as you just can't make a risk calculation to save your life. You are willing to roll the dice RIGHT NOW on nuclear war....but a little bug with an IFR under one percent that sent you into makes us Australia.
"Russia is organized like the mob", that may actually be a saving grace. Triggering Article 5 by invading a NATO country will start a European conflict. There is no way NATO doesn't respond with overwhelming force. Given how Russia has rolled into the Ukraine, their ground troops & armor would be toast in a day. From there its straight to nukes.

No "mob" presses the self-destruct button willingly and everyone loses in that type of European conflict. I can certainly see a coup dumping Putin, but can also see purges by Putin. The former would be good at this point, the latter could be even more dangerous than things currently are.

IMV, the European response to this is way more than Putin could have contemplated. I think its the correct response because they are basically saying "we want peace, but we are preparing for war". These are very dangerous times.
 
NO WAY HOME: THE EXPLOITATION AND ABUSE OF CHILDREN IN UKRAINE’S ORPHANAGES
Published by Disability Rights International, this report documents the exploitation and trafficking of institutionalized children in Ukraine. Whilst UNICEF estimates that there are 82,000 children living in institutions, other advocacy groups have suggested that the number is far greater. This problem has been exasperated with Ukraine’s conflict with Russia, leading to more children disappearing or being abandoned by these institutions that were supposed to protect them. In these institutions, Disability Rights International has found that the children face sex and labour trafficking, sexual abuse, physical abuse, forced abortion and lack of community support. Many children who graduated from orphanages are often forced onto the streets while facing substance abuse among other issues. Nevertheless, there are many international parties that still donate to these institutions, perpetuating these problems.
 
the battle of the cities has started. Russia is no longer being cautious about civilian collateral damage and is preparing Chechnya type tactics to level the cities with artillery. An amphibious invasion is headed towards Odessa. Ukraine is vowing to turn Kiev Deneper Odessa and Kharkiv into new Stalingrad’s with street to street fighting. The spring mud is early and is already snagging wheeled vehicles. Russian casualties now stand between 5000-7000 killed or wounded but a lot more people including civilians are going to die in the next 2-4 days when the Russian assault comes on line.
 
Who is this "most everyone" you speak of? I must not know them.

Yes, you probably do not know them. Some of them are Iraqis who wished Saddam was back. Some of them are Libyans who wished Gaddafi was back.

Its called the Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. Most of these lower needs can be achieved through financial freedom. Political freedom does not except at the very top of self actualization.

I remember reading an article decades ago, Filipinos were questioning if they were lagging behind the rest of South East Asia and Asia because they had too much democracy. Many successful Asian tigers were ruled by dictators, to start, Singapore under Lee Kuan Yew, South Korea under Park Chung Hee, Republic of China in Taiwan under Chiang to name a few.

To give an example, Singapore has such a draconian government that it holds the world record for imprisoning the longest ever serving political prisoner without trial, beating Nelson Mandela. Yet every election, the ruling party wins easily, why? Financial freedom. People become rich under this government. At some point when money is no longer an object, they will go for higher level needs.

For most countries with GDP under 15000, I think it is safe to say to say the priority for most people is financial freedom over political freedom. Many citizens who think political freedom matters soon realize that upon changing the government through election, the same corruption happens no matter who is in government. Good economy and governance on the other hand guarantees food on the table, shelter, a happy family, and if a dictator can deliver that, why not.

For this, I believe that many attempts to "spread democracy" like those in Iraq or Libya to name a few, are really sinister attempts at destablizing foreign governments.


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Yes, you probably do not know them. Some of them are Iraqis who wished Saddam was back. Some of them are Libyans who wished Gaddafi was back.

Its called the Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. Most of these lower needs can be achieved through financial freedom. Political freedom does not except at the very top of self actualization.

I remember reading an article decades ago, Filipinos were questioning if they were lagging behind the rest of South East Asia and Asia because they had too much democracy. Many successful Asian tigers were ruled by dictators, to start, Singapore under Lee Kuan Yew, South Korea under Park Chung Hee, Republic of China in Taiwan under Chiang to name a few.

To give an example, Singapore has such a draconian government that it holds the world record for imprisoning the longest ever serving political prisoner without trial, beating Nelson Mandela. Yet every election, the ruling party wins easily, why? Financial freedom. People become rich under this government. At some point when money is no longer an object, they will go for higher level needs.

For most countries with GDP under 15000, I think it is safe to say to say the priority for most people is financial freedom over political freedom. Many citizens who think political freedom matters soon realize that upon changing the government through election, the same corruption happens no matter who is in government. Good economy and governance on the other hand guarantees food on the table, shelter, a happy family, and if a dictator can deliver that, why not.

For this, I believe that many attempts to "spread democracy" like those in Iraq or Libya to name a few, are really sinister attempts at destablizing foreign governments.


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most everyone. I see......weird shit dude.
 
most everyone. I see......weird shit dude.
I have this prediction. Once all the bad guys are captured, everyone still alive on earth will get a UBI. It's because all of our past family and friends worked as slaves and died in endless wars and so have we. This is our time!!! Everyone will be set free truly, just like in 1776. Land is everywhere. Freedom is coming and it;s not going to be weird. We have plenty of resources for all of us. It's the liars and cheaters that have taken for themselves. Us vs Them will be over, at least that's what my intuition is telling.
 
Yes, you probably do not know them. Some of them are Iraqis who wished Saddam was back. Some of them are Libyans who wished Gaddafi was back.

Its called the Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. Most of these lower needs can be achieved through financial freedom. Political freedom does not except at the very top of self actualization.

I remember reading an article decades ago, Filipinos were questioning if they were lagging behind the rest of South East Asia and Asia because they had too much democracy. Many successful Asian tigers were ruled by dictators, to start, Singapore under Lee Kuan Yew, South Korea under Park Chung Hee, Republic of China in Taiwan under Chiang to name a few.

To give an example, Singapore has such a draconian government that it holds the world record for imprisoning the longest ever serving political prisoner without trial, beating Nelson Mandela. Yet every election, the ruling party wins easily, why? Financial freedom. People become rich under this government. At some point when money is no longer an object, they will go for higher level needs.

For most countries with GDP under 15000, I think it is safe to say to say the priority for most people is financial freedom over political freedom. Many citizens who think political freedom matters soon realize that upon changing the government through election, the same corruption happens no matter who is in government. Good economy and governance on the other hand guarantees food on the table, shelter, a happy family, and if a dictator can deliver that, why not.

For this, I believe that many attempts to "spread democracy" like those in Iraq or Libya to name a few, are really sinister attempts at destablizing foreign governments.


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Reports from European and Eastern sources about what's happening inside Russia is ugly. It looks like the Duma is scheduled to meet in the coming days and analysts are speculating they will take certain actions including: giving Putin the right to rule by absolute decree without the Duma, prohibiting the movement of currency and people out of Russia (the lower upper classes and upper middle class has begun to exodus), declare martial law (including one report that protestors will be send to serve at the front) and reintroduce general conscription and call up the reservists (since the occupation in the Ukraine is anticipated to be long and bloody). Meanwhile foreign companies, like Ikea and McDonalds, unable to to operate their businesses without currency transfers and having begun the process already of transferring out their foreign national staffs, have begun to shutter. Reports are that Russian casualties may now top 7000 and there are reports of whole units surrendering or going AWOL....that doesn't mean the Russian offensive is over but that it's shifted to another phase: the use of artillery to level cities and terrorize them into surrender....in response Ukraine has announced Russian artillery men will not be given quarter and will be shot on sight. The 25 year integration of Russia into the global economy is essentially being undone in the course of less than a month and a big question is how the late millenials and Zers will react to that, given they have no recollection of a time when Russia was cut off from the world and can't get new iphones or use their apple pay.
 
Reports from European and Eastern sources about what's happening inside Russia is ugly. It looks like the Duma is scheduled to meet in the coming days and analysts are speculating they will take certain actions including: giving Putin the right to rule by absolute decree without the Duma, prohibiting the movement of currency and people out of Russia (the lower upper classes and upper middle class has begun to exodus), declare martial law (including one report that protestors will be send to serve at the front) and reintroduce general conscription and call up the reservists (since the occupation in the Ukraine is anticipated to be long and bloody). Meanwhile foreign companies, like Ikea and McDonalds, unable to to operate their businesses without currency transfers and having begun the process already of transferring out their foreign national staffs, have begun to shutter. Reports are that Russian casualties may now top 7000 and there are reports of whole units surrendering or going AWOL....that doesn't mean the Russian offensive is over but that it's shifted to another phase: the use of artillery to level cities and terrorize them into surrender....in response Ukraine has announced Russian artillery men will not be given quarter and will be shot on sight. The 25 year integration of Russia into the global economy is essentially being undone in the course of less than a month and a big question is how the late millenials and Zers will react to that, given they have no recollection of a time when Russia was cut off from the world and can't get new iphones or use their apple pay.
Interesting, where did you get that from?
 
Reports from European and Eastern sources about what's happening inside Russia is ugly. It looks like the Duma is scheduled to meet in the coming days and analysts are speculating they will take certain actions including: giving Putin the right to rule by absolute decree without the Duma, prohibiting the movement of currency and people out of Russia (the lower upper classes and upper middle class has begun to exodus), declare martial law (including one report that protestors will be send to serve at the front) and reintroduce general conscription and call up the reservists (since the occupation in the Ukraine is anticipated to be long and bloody). Meanwhile foreign companies, like Ikea and McDonalds, unable to to operate their businesses without currency transfers and having begun the process already of transferring out their foreign national staffs, have begun to shutter. Reports are that Russian casualties may now top 7000 and there are reports of whole units surrendering or going AWOL....that doesn't mean the Russian offensive is over but that it's shifted to another phase: the use of artillery to level cities and terrorize them into surrender....in response Ukraine has announced Russian artillery men will not be given quarter and will be shot on sight. The 25 year integration of Russia into the global economy is essentially being undone in the course of less than a month and a big question is how the late millenials and Zers will react to that, given they have no recollection of a time when Russia was cut off from the world and can't get new iphones or use their apple pay.
NGSWIC!!!
 
That's what I thought. Your big time wrong on this intel, trust me.
Why what's up? What are you hearing and source? There's even video BTW which can't lie...the Swedes were putting up video of Russians are staging a run on Ikea and the Apple Store in Moscow because they are shuttering this weekend and Channel 4 was interviewing the people who are trying to get out before the travel ban goes into effect (blurring their faces).
 
Why what's up? What are you hearing and source? There's even video BTW which can't lie...the Swedes were putting up video of Russians are staging a run on Ikea and the Apple Store in Moscow because they are shuttering this weekend and Channel 4 was interviewing the people who are trying to get out before the travel ban goes into effect (blurring their faces).
Club 33 is going down sweat heart. It's a big club with some serious evil. That's the part you miss. You will very soon find out. I love you Grace t and now you know what kind of men my daughter had to deal with.
 
Biden can come out and give a commitment that NATO will not expand into Ukraine. However, do they want this or is this part of a larger scheme of a proxy war to get one Slav to kill another Slav?
 
Biden can come out and give a commitment that NATO will not expand into Ukraine. However, do they want this or is this part of a larger scheme of a proxy war to get one Slav to kill another Slav?
The issue there is that's not really for Biden to say. Any country has the right to apply to NATO. NATO can reject the application but that involves more countries than the United States

He could have worked towards the voluntary finlandization of the Ukraine by pressuring them, but that has it's own downsides. It would have been viewed as appeasement and much like the memory of WWII in Russia, the memory of WWII in Europe, particularly eastern Europe, still casts a long shadow. And I personally doubt it would have appeased Putin...first, he's been clear he wants regime change in the Ukraine to have the government tilt towards Moscow....and then he'd just want more. If Ukraine was going to be finlandized, that would have had to have happened before the Crimea happened. that's not Biden's fault (or Trump's for that matter)...you'd have to lay that on Bush and Obama.
 
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