War in Ukraine soon?

Grace T. said:
Reports from European and Eastern sources about what's happening inside Russia is ugly. It looks like the Duma is scheduled to meet in the coming days and analysts are speculating they will take certain actions including: giving Putin the right to rule by absolute decree without the Duma, prohibiting the movement of currency and people out of Russia (the lower upper classes and upper middle class has begun to exodus), declare martial law (including one report that protestors will be send to serve at the front) and reintroduce general conscription and call up the reservists (since the occupation in the Ukraine is anticipated to be long and bloody). Meanwhile foreign companies, like Ikea and McDonalds, unable to to operate their businesses without currency transfers and having begun the process already of transferring out their foreign national staffs, have begun to shutter. Reports are that Russian casualties may now top 7000 and there are reports of whole units surrendering or going AWOL....that doesn't mean the Russian offensive is over but that it's shifted to another phase: the use of artillery to level cities and terrorize them into surrender....in response Ukraine has announced Russian artillery men will not be given quarter and will be shot on sight. The 25 year integration of Russia into the global economy is essentially being undone in the course of less than a month and a big question is how the late millenials and Zers will react to that, given they have no recollection of a time when Russia was cut off from the world and can't get new iphones or use their apple pay.
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Interesting, where did you get that from?
 
Grace T. said:
Reports from European and Eastern sources about what's happening inside Russia is ugly. It looks like the Duma is scheduled to meet in the coming days and analysts are speculating they will take certain actions including: giving Putin the right to rule by absolute decree without the Duma, prohibiting the movement of currency and people out of Russia (the lower upper classes and upper middle class has begun to exodus), declare martial law (including one report that protestors will be send to serve at the front) and reintroduce general conscription and call up the reservists (since the occupation in the Ukraine is anticipated to be long and bloody). Meanwhile foreign companies, like Ikea and McDonalds, unable to to operate their businesses without currency transfers and having begun the process already of transferring out their foreign national staffs, have begun to shutter. Reports are that Russian casualties may now top 7000 and there are reports of whole units surrendering or going AWOL....that doesn't mean the Russian offensive is over but that it's shifted to another phase: the use of artillery to level cities and terrorize them into surrender....in response Ukraine has announced Russian artillery men will not be given quarter and will be shot on sight. The 25 year integration of Russia into the global economy is essentially being undone in the course of less than a month and a big question is how the late millenials and Zers will react to that, given they have no recollection of a time when Russia was cut off from the world and can't get new iphones or use their apple pay.
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NGSWIC!!!
 
Soccerhelper said:
That's what I thought. Your big time wrong on this intel, trust me.
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Why what's up? What are you hearing and source? There's even video BTW which can't lie...the Swedes were putting up video of Russians are staging a run on Ikea and the Apple Store in Moscow because they are shuttering this weekend and Channel 4 was interviewing the people who are trying to get out before the travel ban goes into effect (blurring their faces).
 
Grace T. said:
Why what's up? What are you hearing and source? There's even video BTW which can't lie...the Swedes were putting up video of Russians are staging a run on Ikea and the Apple Store in Moscow because they are shuttering this weekend and Channel 4 was interviewing the people who are trying to get out before the travel ban goes into effect (blurring their faces).
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Club 33 is going down sweat heart. It's a big club with some serious evil. That's the part you miss. You will very soon find out. I love you Grace t and now you know what kind of men my daughter had to deal with.
 
Biden can come out and give a commitment that NATO will not expand into Ukraine. However, do they want this or is this part of a larger scheme of a proxy war to get one Slav to kill another Slav?
 
blam said:
Biden can come out and give a commitment that NATO will not expand into Ukraine. However, do they want this or is this part of a larger scheme of a proxy war to get one Slav to kill another Slav?
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The issue there is that's not really for Biden to say. Any country has the right to apply to NATO. NATO can reject the application but that involves more countries than the United States

He could have worked towards the voluntary finlandization of the Ukraine by pressuring them, but that has it's own downsides. It would have been viewed as appeasement and much like the memory of WWII in Russia, the memory of WWII in Europe, particularly eastern Europe, still casts a long shadow. And I personally doubt it would have appeased Putin...first, he's been clear he wants regime change in the Ukraine to have the government tilt towards Moscow....and then he'd just want more. If Ukraine was going to be finlandized, that would have had to have happened before the Crimea happened. that's not Biden's fault (or Trump's for that matter)...you'd have to lay that on Bush and Obama.
 
Grace T. said:
The issue there is that's not really for Biden to say. Any country has the right to apply to NATO. NATO can reject the application but that involves more countries than the United States

He could have worked towards the voluntary finlandization of the Ukraine by pressuring them, but that has it's own downsides. It would have been viewed as appeasement and much like the memory of WWII in Russia, the memory of WWII in Europe, particularly eastern Europe, still casts a long shadow. And I personally doubt it would have appeased Putin...first, he's been clear he wants regime change in the Ukraine to have the government tilt towards Moscow....and then he'd just want more. If Ukraine was going to be finlandized, that would have had to have happened before the Crimea happened. that's not Biden's fault (or Trump's for that matter)...you'd have to lay that on Bush and Obama.
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Obama, Joe, Hillary and Hunter built an empire in the Ukraine 8 years ago. Bio labs and energy business is big time in da Ukraine. Let's not forget all the Senators Sons cashing in. Human trafficking is the #1 business over there as well Grace T. Putin is under control and is cleaning his area out of some serious bad people. How on earth can we go from, "Get the jab or else to war over night? Tel A Vison is telling you everything they want you to believe. Guess what and this pains me to death. My wife's really good friend's son tried to kill himself. Blood everywhere but mom saved her son. Her husband left her with her two sons and one of them is on drugs and she is not strong enough to take him on anymore. Cops came and tried to do the 72 hour hold but he stopped. My other friend is scared for the first time and knows now he was lied to about taking the jabs. It was a set up Grace T. This is what I think is going to happen next. You know what, forget it for now because you won;t believe me again and will just make fun of the TRUTH. The TRUTH is coming, yay for the TRUTH. We want TRUTH, we want TRUTH. We want FREEDOM for everyone. UBI for all!!!
 
One thing I can say about Trump's foreign policy in this is that he did right to court India. The fact the Biden admin hasn't prioritized this is malfeasance. We are natural allies....both democracies, India has its own China issues, can be used as an industrial hub to rival China, sizeable Indian expat community in the US....but instead we have neither India or Pakistan backing.

nationalinterest.org

UN Vote Signals Trouble for Washington’s Global Coalition Against Russia

The Biden administration boasts about the exceptional unity of the international community in opposing Moscow’s Ukraine adventure. However, the UN vote is another indication on a growing list suggesting that claims of such unity are overblown.
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Grace T. said:
One thing I can say about Trump's foreign policy in this is that he did right to court India. The fact the Biden admin hasn't prioritized this is malfeasance. We are natural allies....both democracies, India has its own China issues, can be used as an industrial hub to rival China, sizeable Indian expat community in the US....but instead we have neither India or Pakistan backing.

nationalinterest.org

UN Vote Signals Trouble for Washington’s Global Coalition Against Russia

The Biden administration boasts about the exceptional unity of the international community in opposing Moscow’s Ukraine adventure. However, the UN vote is another indication on a growing list suggesting that claims of such unity are overblown.
nationalinterest.org nationalinterest.org
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India is too smart and powerful to fight a proxy war for the United States or to become a vassal state of the USA. We are not talking about small nation states like Korea or defeated empires like Japan, where they are in the coalition for fear of China.

Most US military equipment are useless in times of war. The software that are used to run these are crippled or locked. You cannot plan a proper mission without the US knowing about it. Russian military equipment do not have this limitation.

Democracy is not the most importnat priority. Income is, financial freedom. As income rises, that will come and be demanded internally. Humans have lived at least 5000 years without democracy, it makes little in the grand scheme of things if we wait another 200 years for the rest of the world to be democratic.

And US can hardly be describe as free or democratic. Our daily lives is so filled with regulations that nearly everything the moment you stepped out of your house is regulated. From the color you want to paint your house (HOA rules), to your choice to open a food stand on the street (San Diego just created a new code that forbids this in some areas), to drinking beer in some beaches. As an American, you do not even have the freedom to walk to the wall that separates Mexico and the US. Friendship park at Border State park is still closed on the US side, citing some regulation again. Mexicans can already walk to the fence and stick their arms onto the US side.

History has proven that spreading democracy is just a euphemism for regime change. Stop that BS about democracy. US foreign policy has never been about improving humanity, someone is always playing the game of Civilization in the State department.
 
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