Vaccine

watfly said:
You know that Fauci got his ass kicked on the playground on a regular basis.
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I should probably let the FDS ride off into the sunset with your perceptions intact...but....well, no.

Brookyln immigrant kid, by accounts a pretty good high school point guard. Even Trump mentioned it. Marathoner in the 1970's. And, from what I've been told competitive as hell. Like when he bitch slaps Ron Paul around, you can tell he's into it. So I don't think he started fights on the schoolyard, but I'd bet he didn't run away from them either.
 
EvilGoalie 21 said:
I should probably let the FDS ride off into the sunset with your perceptions intact...but....well, no.

Brookyln immigrant kid, by accounts a pretty good high school point guard. Even Trump mentioned it. Marathoner in the 1970's. And, from what I've been told competitive as hell. Like when he bitch slaps Ron Paul around, you can tell he's into it. So I don't think he started fights on the schoolyard, but I'd bet he didn't run away from them either.
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He was Captain of the Nerd Team Evil.......lol!

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Next Tuesday at midnight is the year’s legislative deadline. Any bill that hasn’t passed by then is dead, so the next few days are make-or-break for the ghastly "Vaccine Work Group" package.

For months we’ve spoken out and fought back. We’ve rallied and organized. We’ve marshalled evidence and appealed to reason. And we killed the worst bills: a K-12 child vaccine mandate, a universal workplace mandate, and a measure to coerce police into enforcing mandates.

A fourth bill in the worst-of-the-worst category remains stalled. SB 866 would remove parent consent for 15-year-olds to be vaccinated. I spent 19 minutes interrogating the bill’s author in committee and am ready to speak against it on the Assembly Floor.

Three other Work Group bills await a final vote: AB 2098 to go after physicians for COVID "misinformation," SB 1018 to enable more censorship on social media, and AB 1797 relating to the "immunization registry."

Unfortunately the COVID testing bill, which I spoke against, has already passed. But the fight isn't over. Newsom has until the end of September to sign or veto it. And while he can never be trusted to do the right thing, we can create pressure to force his hand.

That’s how we got him to withdraw his K-12 student mandate. That’s how we got him to end the school mask mandate. And just two days ago, that’s how we got him to veto a bill that would have opened legal drug "injection sites" in our cities.

We still have work to do. But this year at the State Capitol could have been a lot worse.​
 
Follow the Science? WTF is going on here folks? Can you see or are you blind? Can you hear or are you deaf? Look at what the cheaters, liars and thieves have done to us.

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dad4 said:
When did I call you devious?
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That was in response to espwela
dad4 said:
It also makes it a little pointless to continue the conversation. I can explain 27 times that my main concern is that high levels of covid in community will lead to more cases and deaths among the (much smaller) vulnerable population. It just goes in one ear and out the other.
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And as shown around the world, the measure enacted did nothing to stop the spread.

The only thing the measures did was to devastate many small biz, put people out of work, do serious damage to education for kids, launch inflation, etc. They were never going to stop the spread. That is the issue you cannot get your head around. All those measures did nothing to stop the spread, but did inflict harm that will be felt for years to come.
 
Pollo Elastico said:
That was in response to espwela

And as shown around the world, the measure enacted did nothing to stop the spread.

The only thing the measures did was to devastate many small biz, put people out of work, do serious damage to education for kids, launch inflation, etc. They were never going to stop the spread. That is the issue you cannot get your head around. All those measures did nothing to stop the spread, but did inflict harm that will be felt for years to come.
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Dad was for people like crush to lose it all and he will fall on his daddy sword to the end. My buddy has cousin who is ER Doc. He is working long long hours but has tripled his pay from 2019 pay. My other buddy wife is Big Pharma Sales Lady and she will double her income from $250,000 to making over $500,000 in 2022. Overtime and bonuses bro. My pal does recruiting and he is killing it the health industry. My other pal is a teacher and is fully jabbed and teaches whatever he is told to teach. He is waiting for 5 more years to retire but will retire with blood thinner as trade off. Then we have the losers on the other side who said no to Dads mandates. They lost their job. They lost their business they worked so hard to build. They lost their freedom. They lost loved one's who died because of what dad and his crew put on us because they hate t. The winners in this old game of life have been bought and bribed and those in high positions have been blackmailed. When the tables are turned, the winners will be shown to be the losers and the losers will be the winners.
 
EvilGoalie 21 said:
I should probably let the FDS ride off into the sunset with your perceptions intact...but....well, no.

Brookyln immigrant kid, by accounts a pretty good high school point guard. Even Trump mentioned it. Marathoner in the 1970's. And, from what I've been told competitive as hell. Like when he bitch slaps Ron Paul around, you can tell he's into it. So I don't think he started fights on the schoolyard, but I'd bet he didn't run away from them either.
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Well that was sarcasm on my part, but the chip he has on his shoulder came from somewhere. How arrogant do you have to be to claim that you are science? Funny you think he bitched slapped Paul, while Paul is not my favorite politician and you could argue his tone, he easily pierced Fauci's thin skin. He definitely hit a nerve and Fauci refused to answer the legitimate questions (or straight up lied) and instead lashed out at the congressman. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. I don't doubt that Fauci is maybe a great researcher, but he's a horrible policy maker and spokesperson. Repeating myself, I was OK with him having a seat at the table he just should have never been driving the bus. He should have never been let out of this lane. What he allowed to happen to our kids is unforgiveable.

Like I said I was a fan of Fauci's and even defended him after several mistakes rationalizing that he made decisions in good faith, but was just naive. (Ask GraceT). Unfortunately, he let the power get to him and he "jumped the shark". But again we are both shaped by our paradigms and the scientific community is very good at "circling the wagons".
 
watfly said:
Well that was sarcasm on my part, but the chip he has on his shoulder came from somewhere. How arrogant do you have to be to claim that you are science? Funny you think he bitched slapped Paul, while Paul is not my favorite politician and you could argue his tone, he easily pierced Fauci's thin skin. He definitely hit a nerve and Fauci refused to answer the legitimate questions (or straight up lied) and instead lashed out at the congressman. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. I don't doubt that Fauci is maybe a great researcher, but he's a horrible policy maker and spokesperson. Repeating myself, I was OK with him having a seat at the table he just should have never been driving the bus. He should have never been let out of this lane. What he allowed to happen to our kids is unforgiveable.

Like I said I was a fan of Fauci's and even defended him after several mistakes rationalizing that he made decisions in good faith, but was just naive. (Ask GraceT). Unfortunately, he let the power get to him and he "jumped the shark". But again we are both shaped by our paradigms and the scientific community is very good at "circling the wagons".
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If Fauci had retired in 2020, t would have appointed a loyalist to replace him and we would have seen hundreds overdosing on hydroxychloroquine.
 
watfly said:
Well that was sarcasm on my part, but the chip he has on his shoulder came from somewhere. How arrogant do you have to be to claim that you are science? Funny you think he bitched slapped Paul, while Paul is not my favorite politician and you could argue his tone, he easily pierced Fauci's thin skin. He definitely hit a nerve and Fauci refused to answer the legitimate questions (or straight up lied) and instead lashed out at the congressman. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. I don't doubt that Fauci is maybe a great researcher, but he's a horrible policy maker and spokesperson. Repeating myself, I was OK with him having a seat at the table he just should have never been driving the bus. He should have never been let out of this lane. What he allowed to happen to our kids is unforgiveable.

Like I said I was a fan of Fauci's and even defended him after several mistakes rationalizing that he made decisions in good faith, but was just naive. (Ask GraceT). Unfortunately, he let the power get to him and he "jumped the shark". But again we are both shaped by our paradigms and the scientific community is very good at "circling the wagons".
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espola said:
If Fauci had retired in 2020, t would have appointed a loyalist to replace him and we would have seen hundreds overdosing on hydroxychloroquine.
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Really? With all those blind Trump worshippers how many actual overdoses were there? Correct me if I'm wrong but the most publicized one turned out to be a poisoning by the spouse.
 
EvilGoalie 21 said:

ClinicalTrials.gov

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Unblinded in July. Not mice.
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NVX. The main players? not so much but they have submitted to the fda for eua anyway. And again, the fda has decided to conduct it's review without consulting it's advisory committe...again.

to recap: pfizer and moderna are pushing for eua without conducting trials on humans. To me that's a bit off putting. even a small human trial to measure antibody levels would be helpful..don't you think? Becuase we have so much trust right now in entire vaccine development community.

I mean, boosting people then measuring levels 2 weeks later would be beneficial...and maybe more impotant, gain more trust. We've been down this road before. The vaccine was the panacea until it wasn't. Are we doing the same with boosters? Here, take this, we don't know if it will work, we haven't really tried it except on small mammals.. Who's in charge? oh yea, pfizer/moderna are in charge.
 
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