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How about the ability to afford one in these inflationary times?
Inflation cuts both ways. Gas prices and oil changes are up, too.

Assuming a $25,000 electric versus a $15,000 gas car. The extra car payment is about $190 per month. Fuel cost difference is about $170 per 1000 miles, plus another $20 for oil changes.

So, if you drive about 1000 miles per month, your monthly bill is about the same.
 
Inflation cuts both ways. Gas prices and oil changes are up, too.

Assuming a $25,000 electric versus a $15,000 gas car. The extra car payment is about $190 per month. Fuel cost difference is about $170 per 1000 miles, plus another $20 for oil changes.

So, if you drive about 1000 miles per month, your monthly bill is about the same.
Yes…now if you can’t afford a $25k car right now and gas prices are killing your budget what do you do….THAT IS MY POINT
 
Yes…now if you can’t afford a $25k car right now and gas prices are killing your budget what do you do….THAT IS MY POINT

Not for everyone but my Allant+ 8 handles most of my commuting and many around town errands nicely. I think the last tank of gas we bought was probably late June. About 3K new.
 
Not for everyone but my Allant+ 8 handles most of my commuting and many around town errands nicely. I think the last tank of gas we bought was probably late June. About 3K new.
As you drive electric in style, make sure to thank the kids in your heart for their labor. Costco just announced they will not sell diesel.

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They have a search warrant issued by a Federal Judge. That means the FBI/DOJ swore an affidavit that there was probable cause of finding evidence of a crime.
Fool proof no? never an example of a bad warrant ever issued? Maybe it's legit in this case..don't really care....our government always does things by the book, the Ts dotted and the Is teed.
 
Electric vehicles have what is known as a long tailpipe.

Most are unaware that they are far from zero emission vehicles.

Vid does a good job explaining that.
Why do you keep assuming that anyone who disagrees with you must be stupid and/or uninformed?

I think everyone here is aware that electricity generation and lithium mining generate emissions.

The question is whether total emissions from an electric car are lower than total emissions from a gasoline car. Both are substantial.

The last time I ran the numbers, electrics came out ahead, even if I assumed 100% coal power plants.
 
Why do you keep assuming that anyone who disagrees with you must be stupid and/or uninformed?

I think everyone here is aware that electricity generation and lithium mining generate emissions.

The question is whether total emissions from an electric car are lower than total emissions from a gasoline car. Both are substantial.

The last time I ran the numbers, electrics came out ahead, even if I assumed 100% coal power plants.
Not sure who you think I was disagreeing with.

That said most people just go with the ads, pronouncements that these vehicles are zero emission.

They don't know where the power comes from.

Your math for your model failed to take into consideration the emissions required to produce the various parts. If you watched that video and or read other analysis about total actual emissions you will find that currently they are not clean as advertised.
 
Not sure who you think I was disagreeing with.

That said most people just go with the ads, pronouncements that these vehicles are zero emission.

They don't know where the power comes from.

Your math for your model failed to take into consideration the emissions required to produce the various parts. If you watched that video and or read other analysis about total actual emissions you will find that currently they are not clean as advertised.
The argument that is made in the Ted Talk I posted is that the "carbon" to build the electric car is significantly higher than a gas vehicle and electric cars won't last long enough to offset that difference (if I'm recalling correctly). Whether you believe it or not its a fascinating watch.
 
The argument that is made in the Ted Talk I posted is that the "carbon" to build the electric car is significantly higher than a gas vehicle and electric cars won't last long enough to offset that difference (if I'm recalling correctly). Whether you believe it or not its a fascinating watch.
Many people who own electric cars could care less about the environment, they own them for the pure fun of it. Mabye not so much a nissan leaf for the fun factor. Selfishly, not having to stop for gas, changing brakes, fluid changes is convenient. As someone here pointed out earlier, they are not for everyone, especially if you don't reside in a home that can provide you daily/nightly charging. They mostly aren't affordable. But they are fun to drive and ranges have gotten better.
 
The argument that is made in the Ted Talk I posted is that the "carbon" to build the electric car is significantly higher than a gas vehicle and electric cars won't last long enough to offset that difference (if I'm recalling correctly). Whether you believe it or not its a fascinating watch.
This TED talk?

 
Many people who own electric cars could care less about the environment, they own them for the pure fun of it. Mabye not so much a nissan leaf for the fun factor. Selfishly, not having to stop for gas, changing brakes, fluid changes is convenient. As someone here pointed out earlier, they are not for everyone, especially if you don't reside in a home that can provide you daily/nightly charging. They mostly aren't affordable. But they are fun to drive and ranges have gotten better.
I would go so far as to say that most people don't buy them for environmental reasons.
 
I would go so far as to say that most people don't buy them for environmental reasons.
Tesla cars are beautiful electric cars and I can say most of my liberal pals who own them feel good about themselves by going electric. They went all in woke so they don't go broke and they kiss so much you know it, it's disgusting and all over their nose. They also got all the jabs ((this is the Vaccine Thread so we should stay on topic, moo!)) + all the boosters and most still wear mask when they drive. I told one of my bff's that the kids that are forced into mining to make these cars is crazy insane and he plugs his ears and goes all, "la la la la, na na na na la la la la" super loud when I bring up the kids and how their being treated like little paid slaves and paid pennies an hour. Horrible and I would never buy one, like never!!! Edison wanted to "charge" us all and Nick Tesla wanted energy to be free for all of us. I can't wait until we go all in with the real stuff. Psychopath's love to control people and use people and then cheat on them, steal from them and then lie through projecting their cheating back to the one's they cheated on.
 
Stat News: Real math does not lie. 67% of the Covid deaths in San Diego the last 3 months are from those who have been fully jabbed or fully jabbed with all their booster jabs. The 33% who died had one jab or no jab.
 
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