Vaccine

[Happened again]

Victim? The only thing that lie cost you was a chance to buy up the PPE our doctors needed.

So, yeah. You got lied to. So what? Unless you are the kind of person to buy up PPE during a health emergency, it did not impact your life one bit.

I'm not a fan of the lie, but your reaction to it is far out of proportion to any harm you suffered.

They lied about effectiveness...they've lied about studies, they've lied about many things to do with your public health. There are plenty of smart and had working scientist at the CDC. Unfortunately those in power have become lazy and political. Public health emergencies are hard enough, they are even harder when you lose credibility. have you checked out paxlovid lately? nothing lazy about it right? follow the $$$ , usually leads you to lazy crats getting rich.

Why are you stuck on masks? I mean, pretty much most people wore them...they wore them into places to eat, then took them off. They wore them on planes until they didn't wear them on planes because it took the whole flight to drink/eat. They wore them right under their nose in the check out line at the grocery store.

I suppose you don't wan't to talk about vaccines and kids?

 

[Grace T.]

No? These statements are not in opposition.

The CDC lied in an effort to protect front line health care workers. The right wing media used this to undermine public health efforts in general. As a result, our public health officials learned to think long and hard about any future policy corrections.

This is one unified story, not two in opposition. Your part in it isn't honorable, either.

And that my friend is why you are an authoritarian if not an outright totalitarian. The damage from the lie isn’t the chance to buy ppe. The damage is the destruction of trust it does to the system plus it debases the liar and demeans the recipient. What’s worse is humans being humans is it enables the elites who are in on the lie to cheat and the expense of everyone else (why we have things like insider trading laws). No lies…no public trust problem. It’s easy man…the noble lie should NEVER be part of public policy.

again, heinlein was prescient.

 

[crush]

And that my friend is why you are an authoritarian if not an outright totalitarian. The damage from the lie isn’t the chance to buy ppe. The damage is the destruction of trust it does to the system plus it debases the liar and demeans the recipient. What’s worse is humans being humans is it enables the elites who are in on the lie to cheat and the expense of everyone else (why we have things like insider trading laws). No lies…no public trust problem. It’s easy man…the noble lie should NEVER be part of public policy.

again, heinlein was prescient.

It's called fraud. When you do fraud, you pay the ultimate price. Dad is a liar at best right now. I swear 100% every single person on here is being watched with what they say, teach and preach. Dad, Espola, Husker and EOTL Bot will have to give an answer to those lies.

 

[crush]

These people are sick, twisted and evil. I get that most of you are agnostic and some even hate God. Watch this. This is more than fraud by the way, they just use fraud to trick folks into taking the juice that messes with your DNA.

Yuval Noah Harari | "If You Give Corporations & Armies the Technology to Start Messing with Our DNA & Our Brains They Would Like to Amplify Discipline & Intelligence. They Don't Need Compassion, Artistic Sensitivity or Spirituality.

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[crush]

Let's see how these pups handle fire flies eating off their face!


The Docs that came over from Germany in 45' taught this monster fraudster well. He invented AIDS and blamed it on my Gay friends. I lived in Laguna and it was a scary time for so many. My mom loved the Gay community and one of her best friends died of AIDS. This time aroud, he used human, bat, dog, monkey and bat DNA and this latest round I hear has mix of of half Hippo and half rhino. You can;t make this shit up anymore. Monkey pox and now Hippopox.

 

[crush]

"You will all eat bugs, own nothing and be happy"

 

[dad4]

They lied about effectiveness...they've lied about studies, they've lied about many things to do with your public health. There are plenty of smart and had working scientist at the CDC. Unfortunately those in power have become lazy and political. Public health emergencies are hard enough, they are even harder when you lose credibility. have you checked out paxlovid lately? nothing lazy about it right? follow the $$$ , usually leads you to lazy crats getting rich.

Why are you stuck on masks? I mean, pretty much most people wore them...they wore them into places to eat, then took them off. They wore them on planes until they didn't wear them on planes because it took the whole flight to drink/eat. They wore them right under their nose in the check out line at the grocery store.

I suppose you don't wan't to talk about vaccines and kids?

Kids and vaccines? What about it?

The only time I ran into a true kid vaccine mandate was for living in a dormitory. No jab, no room.

Given the chance of transmission in a dorm, I thought the dorm room vaccine mandate was reasonable. Similarly, I feel an adult vaccine mandate for going on a cruise is reasonable.

 

[Grace T.]

Kids and vaccines? What about it?

The only time I ran into a true kid vaccine mandate was for living in a dormitory. No jab, no room.

Given the chance of transmission in a dorm, I thought the dorm room vaccine mandate was reasonable. Similarly, I feel an adult vaccine mandate for going on a cruise is reasonable.

No it’s ridiculous. Near zero chance of death and very very small risk of hospitalization from Covid in that population. New efficacy numbers that indicate a with omicron it’s about 20-30% efficacy and falls with time to zero. Close quarters with prolonged periods of exposure which means even if vaccines reduce transmission it’s still going to rip through the population. Almost everyone of them has been exposed naturally at this point. And a heightened risk of myocarditis in males of that age group. While it may have arguably made sense when they thought the vaccine was sterlizing, once it mutated it made zero sense because this age group is going to 100% get it anyways.

 

[dad4]

No it’s ridiculous. Near zero chance of death and very very small risk of hospitalization from Covid in that population. New efficacy numbers that indicate a with omicron it’s about 20-30% efficacy and falls with time to zero. Close quarters with prolonged periods of exposure which means even if vaccines reduce transmission it’s still going to rip through the population. Almost everyone of them has been exposed naturally at this point. And a heightened risk of myocarditis in males of that age group. While it may have arguably made sense when they thought the vaccine was sterlizing, once it mutated it made zero sense because this age group is going to 100% get it anyways.

The institution needs to decide on some policy, or lack of policy. One possible policy is the one you suggest. Calmly explain that covid spreads well in dorms, but that the institution is not taking precautions because it probably won’t send you to the hospital.

The school in question did not happen to choose that policy.

Perhaps you are right, and the best possible college policy is to treat covid as inevitable and allow covid to do what it will. You are welcome to go to different schools and ask them to hire you as a public health consultant based on that proposal and your unique scientific background.

 

[Grace T.]

The institution needs to decide on some policy, or lack of policy. One possible policy is the one you suggest. Calmly explain that covid spreads well in dorms, but that the institution is not taking precautions because it probably won’t send you to the hospital.

The school in question did not happen to choose that policy.

Perhaps you are right, and the best possible college policy is to treat covid as inevitable and allow covid to do what it will. You are welcome to go to different schools and ask them to hire you as a public health consultant based on that proposal and your unique scientific background.

Here’s why institutionally we tend to rush to the worst case scenario: because if they adopt my policy and some immunocompromised kid with aids winds up in the hospital, the consultant is going to get blamed. What’s worse is the risk managers for the underwriters, prior to issuing their Covid rider, probably required the university to hire said consultant. So the university can’t go against the consultants recommends without losing their rider. And the consultant can’t just say well here are the pros and cons because the underwriter will only insure if there’s a consultant approved plan in place. And there is no upside for the consultant in throwing it down the middle of the plate: if they get it wrong not only might they be professionally liable but they’ll also torch their reputation while being overly cautious costs them nothing. You see this phenomena all the time in outside law forms being asked to give opinion letters to companies as well. The only thing that’s going to shift this is the first big myocarditis lawsuit with a big damage award (the McDonald’s coffee cup case of vaccines) because in most jurisdictions the shield applies to manufacturers and governments, not private employers and institutions that issue mandates (I may be wrong but I think California and Massachusetts extended the shield to education institutions).

 

[Hüsker Dü]

No it’s ridiculous. Near zero chance of death and very very small risk of hospitalization from Covid in that population. New efficacy numbers that indicate a with omicron it’s about 20-30% efficacy and falls with time to zero. Close quarters with prolonged periods of exposure which means even if vaccines reduce transmission it’s still going to rip through the population. Almost everyone of them has been exposed naturally at this point. And a heightened risk of myocarditis in males of that age group. While it may have arguably made sense when they thought the vaccine was sterlizing, once it mutated it made zero sense because this age group is going to 100% get it anyways.

It’s known as legally liable or legal liability. Look it up.

 

[crush]

Here’s why institutionally we tend to rush to the worst case scenario: because if they adopt my policy and some immunocompromised kid with aids winds up in the hospital, the consultant is going to get blamed. What’s worse is the risk managers for the underwriters, prior to issuing their Covid rider, probably required the university to hire said consultant. So the university can’t go against the consultants recommends without losing their rider. And the consultant can’t just say well here are the pros and cons because the underwriter will only insure if there’s a consultant approved plan in place. And there is no upside for the consultant in throwing it down the middle of the plate: if they get it wrong not only might they be professionally liable but they’ll also torch their reputation while being overly cautious costs them nothing. You see this phenomena all the time in outside law forms being asked to give opinion letters to companies as well. The only thing that’s going to shift this is the first big myocarditis lawsuit with a big damage award (the McDonald’s coffee cup case of vaccines) because in most jurisdictions the shield applies to manufacturers and governments, not private employers and institutions that issue mandates (I may be wrong but I think California and Massachusetts extended the shield to education institutions).

My buddy has a kid playing on the East Coast. Had the flu and took the "test" and it came back positive. This sweet, young 18 year old dd got booted out of her dorm room on campus and bused to a hotel for a week, alone! Insane!

 

[dad4]

Here’s why institutionally we tend to rush to the worst case scenario: because if they adopt my policy and some immunocompromised kid with aids winds up in the hospital, the consultant is going to get blamed. What’s worse is the risk managers for the underwriters, prior to issuing their Covid rider, probably required the university to hire said consultant. So the university can’t go against the consultants recommends without losing their rider. And the consultant can’t just say well here are the pros and cons because the underwriter will only insure if there’s a consultant approved plan in place. And there is no upside for the consultant in throwing it down the middle of the plate: if they get it wrong not only might they be professionally liable but they’ll also torch their reputation while being overly cautious costs them nothing. You see this phenomena all the time in outside law forms being asked to give opinion letters to companies as well. The only thing that’s going to shift this is the first big myocarditis lawsuit with a big damage award (the McDonald’s coffee cup case of vaccines) because in most jurisdictions the shield applies to manufacturers and governments, not private employers and institutions that issue mandates (I may be wrong but I think California and Massachusetts extended the shield to education institutions).

In other words, the consultant is forced to actually pay attention to the immunocompromised kid with aids and the seemingly healthy kid with an undiagnosed heart condition.

That is the best argument for American liability laws I have heard in a long time.

 

[N00B]

In other words, the consultant is forced to actually pay attention to the immunocompromised kid with aids and the seemingly healthy kid with an undiagnosed heart condition.

That is the best argument for American liability laws I have heard in a long time.

The juicy part is also accurate…

“ the shield applies to manufacturers and governments, not private employers and institutions that issue mandates (I may be wrong but I think California and Massachusetts extended the shield to education institutions).”

So, yes… but why doesn’t it apply to all entities?

 

[EvilGoalie 21]

The clinical trial data for Modern's bivalent (ie, containing mRNA encoding S protein regions of two variants) vaccines looks promising. In particular, the one targeting both ancestral Cov-2 and BA.4/5 produces high neutralizing titers to the latest omicron flavors. Keep in mind that no matter what you are reading, Cov-2 has not really undergone selection for immune escape up to this point. If that was the main selective pressure, the ability of the long term immune memory to prevent severe disease would be dissipating as well. But fortunately that aspect of the immune response has been holding strong. Basically, there has been some antigenic drift that has lowered the kDs for neutralizing antibodies binding to S in the latest variants. The main reason omicron and is sub-lineages have won out in the swarm is because they've been selected to replicate so fast they simply outpace the ability of many peoples' immune systems to keep up-they can't crank out the Abs at sufficiently high concentraton to offset the reduced binding. So irrespective of what fold increase in titer is actually achieved with the new boosters, producing tighter binding antibodies could help more people keep pace with omicron. The bivalent booster that includes priming to BA.4/5 could be available by this fall. The link is to a pre-print from I think the initial June data. More recent data has apparently been sent to regulators in the past few days. So updating the vaccines appears to finally be moving.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.06.24.22276703v1.full.pdf

 

[Grace T.]

In other words, the consultant is forced to actually pay attention to the immunocompromised kid with aids and the seemingly healthy kid with an undiagnosed heart condition.

That is the best argument for American liability laws I have heard in a long time.

Ha I knew you’d miss the point. The consultant has to make a risk assessment but there is no upside to the consultant actually making a proper risk assessment…the incentives are always to take the most cautious instead of the most realistic approach…from the upteen different options all of which account for the entire pool of people. From someone who doesn’t let their kid head a ball, probably never let them eat cookie dough, and likely eats his meat well done, of course you like that. The rest of us don’t live life that way. I’m frankly surprised you do travel soccer at all…the risks of injury are astonished high (the girls are virtually guaranteed one before they finish) not to mention the car ride.

The juicy part is also accurate…

“ the shield applies to manufacturers and governments, not private employers and institutions that issue mandates (I may be wrong but I think California and Massachusetts extended the shield to education institutions).”

So, yes… but why doesn’t it apply to all entities?

Think about it. Why would the government extend the protection to itself and pharma?

 

[Kicker 2.0]

Kids and vaccines? What about it?

The only time I ran into a true kid vaccine mandate was for living in a dormitory. No jab, no room.

Given the chance of transmission in a dorm, I thought the dorm room vaccine mandate was reasonable. Similarly, I feel an adult vaccine mandate for going on a cruise is reasonable.

Except the “vaccine” doesn’t prevent transmission, so there is that.

“Get the vaccine and the virus stops with you”…. Remember those words?

 

[crush]

Think about it. Why would the government extend the protection to itself and pharma?

Great question Grace T. I have been sitting this morning in deep meditation and hoping we start getting to the Truth of the matter. What's the matter? We ALL got lied to numerous times and they keep lying. When it starts with a big fat lie, well they cover them up with all sorts of lies. Their masters at lying. I mean, look at Espola and Hisker. All they do is laugh, throw shit on the wall, laugh some more and then more laughs. They have NEVER said, "You know what, I was wrong."

 

[watfly]

Here’s why institutionally we tend to rush to the worst case scenario: because if they adopt my policy and some immunocompromised kid with aids winds up in the hospital, the consultant is going to get blamed. What’s worse is the risk managers for the underwriters, prior to issuing their Covid rider, probably required the university to hire said consultant. So the university can’t go against the consultants recommends without losing their rider. And the consultant can’t just say well here are the pros and cons because the underwriter will only insure if there’s a consultant approved plan in place. And there is no upside for the consultant in throwing it down the middle of the plate: if they get it wrong not only might they be professionally liable but they’ll also torch their reputation while being overly cautious costs them nothing. You see this phenomena all the time in outside law forms being asked to give opinion letters to companies as well. The only thing that’s going to shift this is the first big myocarditis lawsuit with a big damage award (the McDonald’s coffee cup case of vaccines) because in most jurisdictions the shield applies to manufacturers and governments, not private employers and institutions that issue mandates (I may be wrong but I think California and Massachusetts extended the shield to education institutions).

Are you aware that Covid liability insurance even exists? I'd be surprised if it did and I couldn't imagine the cost.

 

[crush]

Hey Grace T and all the others scratching their brain in their heads and asking the obvious question: Why would they lie? Why would a Doc lie to a little 12 year old girl hoping to represent her country someday and who trained for 18 months to accomplish her goal? I confront liars for a living. This Doc told me it's best to STFU or else. Well, I told him I will never STFU. He told to my face, "with that attitude, I will get nothing and my kid will blackballed because coaches don't like dads asking questions." He then looked at me at Starbucks with evil in his eyes and said, "Hey dad, you have no idea who your fucking with." These monsters are imposters and they have been wrecking havoc on all of us for a very long time. I told him as I left and I looked at him directly in his lying eyes and said, "Oh ya, go tell your pals I will never STFU."