Vaccine

Dad was telling us the vax stop infection and transmission. Turns out they don't do either.

Matter of fact long ago the gov knew it didn't stop infection...but continued to lie.

"Former White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator Dr. Deborah Birx says she knew that the COVID-19 vaccines would not protect against infection.

“I knew these vaccines were not going to protect against infection. And I think we overplayed the vaccines, and it made people then worry that it’s not going to protect against severe disease and hospitalization,” she told Fox News. “It will. But let’s be very clear: 50% of the people who died from the Omicron surge were older, vaccinated."
That would be a great argument for a world with only one variant and where vaccines are always either 0% or 100% effective.
 
That would be a great argument for a world with only one variant and where vaccines are always either 0% or 100% effective.
And don't forget the immune system that will soon carry the world population over 8 billion despite the 50 million year old corona virus.
 
That would be a great argument for a world with only one variant and where vaccines are always either 0% or 100% effective.
Up until just weeks ago you were saying the vax stops the spread. It doesn't.

It was also obvious a long time ago the vax didn't stop infection. You didn't like that and instead blamed the unvaxxed.

Wrong again on your part.

The vax neither stops infection or the spread. And the longer this goes on we see natural immunity provides longer benefits... something again you fought against.

You were gung ho to force people from jobs etc based on false evidence. I and many others pointed out there are no long term studies. You poo poohed that.
 
Up until just weeks ago you were saying the vax stops the spread. It doesn't.

It was also obvious a long time ago the vax didn't stop infection. You didn't like that and instead blamed the unvaxxed.

Wrong again on your part.

The vax neither stops infection or the spread. And the longer this goes on we see natural immunity provides longer benefits... something again you fought against.

You were gung ho to force people from jobs etc based on false evidence. I and many others pointed out there are no long term studies. You poo poohed that.
And then you have Birx stating half the people dying in the past yr are vaxxed and boosted.

Think about that.

There is a higher percentage of people vaxxed than unvaxxed and yet half the deaths come from the vaxxed group.

The misinformation peddled is astonishing.

The fact that you so willing still defer to these people is beyond me.

The fact that last week you stated you still liked the concept of lockdowns despite a mountain of evidence showing they were ineffective.
 
That would be a great argument for a world with only one variant and where vaccines are always either 0% or 100% effective.
“Human beings have a strong dramatic instinct toward binary thinking, a basic urge to divide things into two distinct groups, with nothing but an empty gap in between. We love to dichotomize. Good versus bad. Heroes versus villains. My country versus the rest. Dividing the world into two distinct sides is simple and intuitive, and also dramatic because it implies conflict, and we do it without thinking, all the time.”

~Hans Rosling
 
Reading the twitter extremes of both camps its interesting where they are beginning to coalesce. Granted, twitter is no place for moderation, but it's an interesting look at the polarization.

The rhetoric on the anti-restriction forces has gone from the experts/politicians advocating restrictions are wrong, to they are idiots, to they should be fired to now they should be in jail (serious calls to jail people like Birx, Fauci and Ferrer).

The Covidians are openly talking about whether they need to form self-isolated communities (schools, work, neighborhoods) where everyone will wear masks and keep up their vaccination. Openly acknowledging it's now a permanent emergency requiring permanent changes.

Granted further Covid is only one small part of the polarization (there's some much more from the economy to abortion), the vast majority of people have moved on and don't care, but it's interesting the extremes are COVID have settled on "we can't live with these people".
 
“Human beings have a strong dramatic instinct toward binary thinking, a basic urge to divide things into two distinct groups, with nothing but an empty gap in between. We love to dichotomize. Good versus bad. Heroes versus villains. My country versus the rest. Dividing the world into two distinct sides is simple and intuitive, and also dramatic because it implies conflict, and we do it without thinking, all the time.”

~Hans Rosling
you quoting Rosling....priceless. You must be an earth hater..
 
Reading the twitter extremes of both camps its interesting where they are beginning to coalesce. Granted, twitter is no place for moderation, but it's an interesting look at the polarization.

The rhetoric on the anti-restriction forces has gone from the experts/politicians advocating restrictions are wrong, to they are idiots, to they should be fired to now they should be in jail (serious calls to jail people like Birx, Fauci and Ferrer).

The Covidians are openly talking about whether they need to form self-isolated communities (schools, work, neighborhoods) where everyone will wear masks and keep up their vaccination. Openly acknowledging it's now a permanent emergency requiring permanent changes.

Granted further Covid is only one small part of the polarization (there's some much more from the economy to abortion), the vast majority of people have moved on and don't care, but it's interesting the extremes are COVID have settled on "we can't live with these people".
There are always the extremes which now garner more attention than the majority of us somewhere in between. Social media and 24/7 news have made moderate boring and extreme exciting. I like boring, if I want excitement I’ll paddle out at the pier with a bunch of summertime kooks.
 
Your quote was from 2021. They were talking about Delta.

Did you think they had superpowers and could see the future, thus knowing about BA.5 before it even evolved?

1. birx is going around saying she knew the vaccines wouldn’t end it. That leaves you with either she’s lying now or didn’t want to say anything then because she’d be lying. She’s said the vaccines were “oversold”
2. some of us were saying it would continue to evolve away from vaccine protection
3. Guess that means some of us have superpowers. Can I be powergirl?
 
Interesting that one supervisor and some of the press have come out against ferrer reinstalling the mask mandates. There have also been a series of minor scandals involving ferrer over the last week (including her calling kids vectors in a private discussion with schools urging them to more robust protections than prescribed by her decrees and the masking study her daughter worked on). Then there’s the controversy involving the usc docs when first they said hospitals were not under strain and then backpeddled. Lax mask compliance has not been more than 50% and anecdotally from a few businesses that I know that have brought it back the mandated are being ignored. I’m beginning to question is this will survive or if she’ll use the leveling off of cases (whether or not they really have) as a justification to back off.
 
Did you think they had superpowers and could see the future, thus knowing about BA.5 before it even evolved?
So the problem dad has again...

Is either they were lying...or they didn't know.

And yet they made policy you like and are still defending. You are a true believer that refuses to admit that what you liked and followed was bad policy that has created a myriad of terrible outcomes.
 
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