All true. Some people will have a reasonable discussion on this.
But part of that discussion is admitting that the masks, distance, vax mandates, and indoor restrictions saved lives.
Therefore, that discussion won't happen here.
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But part of that discussion is admitting that the masks, distance, vax mandates, and indoor restrictions saved lives.
Therefore, that discussion won't happen here.
Vaccines are a great idea for adults for their own protection. I just don't see the point for children. other than those that have other vulnerable conditions. Kids just don't get that sick and the vaccines don't prevent infection. Seems to be the majority opinion since only 29% of 5-11 year olds have 2 doses of the vaccination. Can't imagine there will be much demand for 6mo to 4yo.
www.dailymail.co.uk
Experts question CDC's approval of COVID vaccines for under-5s
In the wake of the CDC's approval of Pfizer and Moderna's Covid-19 vaccine for babies as young as six months, at least one expert has questioned the move.
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SILVER ELITE
You sure like to twist up people's words. Touting any of the covid vaccines as a big time player in transmission reduction is quite the stretch. Par for the course for the mandate crowd. I don't subscribe to any conspiracy - the vaccines were sold as a silver bullet, they turned out to be silver plated. Did they increase protection for certain populations, absolutely, and thank goodness. Not prioritizing and having a clear vision for protecting critical populations killed people. Political flailing killed people. Public health melt down killed people. Divisive rhetoric from made for tv talking heads killed people..
What exactly is an updated booster?
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SILVER ELITE
Messaging will be directed at the helicopter parent population. Pharma companies are already putting their people on TV, making sure a doomsday scenario is presented.Vaccines are a great idea for adults for their own protection. I just don't see the point for children. other than those that have other vulnerable conditions. Kids just don't get that sick and the vaccines don't prevent infection. Seems to be the majority opinion since only 29% of 5-11 year olds have 2 doses of the vaccination. Can't imagine there will be much demand for 6mo to 4yo.
Experts question CDC's approval of COVID vaccines for under-5s
In the wake of the CDC's approval of Pfizer and Moderna's Covid-19 vaccine for babies as young as six months, at least one expert has questioned the move.
We don't even know what percentage of U11s have been exposed to the virus, yet we intend on carpet vaccinating a population of small humans that aren't at significant risk. It's a pediatric joke.
I doubt there will be many takers, many parents are paying attention. Unless school districts try to inject this into the vaccinated requirements.
The current boosters are still based on the original variant, from 2+ years ago.
I'd much rather get a vaccine against the variants currently in circulation, or at least a closer relative. More like the flu shot.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
You are correct. I haven’t seen anyone from team mandate include short and long term economic impact and mental health impact from any “experts” in those fields when promoting mandates. Well, there is the standard response from the collective of talking point trolls that throws “parenting” at any mental health concerns for children.
Neither you nor I get to be in the room for the discussion.
I just hope it takes place. Some of the mistakes are best described as “you don’t know what you don’t know”.
Others are not so excusable. It took several months to officially recognize the role of aerosol transmission. Part of that was a reluctance to trigger regulations on air-borne pathogens. In effect, we said “hospitals didn’t have enough negative pressure rooms, therefore the disease must not be transmitted by air.”
The “experts” on the other side, such as they are, did worse. Much of their advice was just straight up denialism. It will go away like a miracle. Masks won’t work because the holes are too big. Case numbers are too small to care about. The growth isn’t exponential.
I don't see the vaccinations for 6mo-4yo even getting to 10%. 5-11 is less than 30% and some of those were forced vaccinations. Does anyone know any parents that are clamoring to get their babies or toddlers vaccinated? Other than hypochondriac and Munchausen by Proxy parents, I don't see much demand for vaccinations for the youngest.
The vaccinations are likely safe for the youngest, but when Pfizer only tested it on 3 kids that hardly gives someone comfort of its safety.
Protecting a child's heath with an approved vaccine is exactly the opposite of Munchausen by proxy syndrome.
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SILVER ELITE
In this case, do you believe that this vaccine protects the health of a healthy ulittle?
Desert Hound
DA
Why get a kid vaxxed when statistically they have absolutely NO RISK? By kids I mean 17 and under.
Yes. The benefits of the vaccine for a ten year old are greater than the risks. This is exactly what the FDA approval process is meant to evaluate, and the evaluation is done by people a hell of a lot smarter and more experienced than Tucker Carlson.
( Insert standard comment from Hound asserting that some non-zero number is actually zero. )
Do you think Pfizer's study that only involved three kids receiving the vaccination is reasonable to determine effectiveness and safety for an entire age group?
Nevermind. Found it.
I posted it above."About the Phase 1/2/3 Trial in Children
The Phase 1/2/3 trial has enrolled more than 10,000 children ages 6 months to under 12 years of age in the United States, Finland, Poland, Spain and Brazil from more than 90 clinical trial sites. The trial evaluated the safety, tolerability, and immunogenicity of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine in three age groups: ages 5 to under 12 years; ages 2 to under 5 years; and ages 6 months to under 2 years. Based on the Phase 1 dose-escalation portion of the trial, children ages 5 to under 12 years received a two-dose schedule of 10 µg each while children under age 5 received three lower 3-µg doses in the Phase 2/3 study. The trial enrolled children with or without prior evidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection."
.Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine Receives FDA Emergency Use Authorization for Children 6 Months through 4 Years of Age | Pfizer
In a Phase 2/3 clinical trial, the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine elicited a strong immune response in this age group Three 3-µg doses had favorable safety profile similar to placebo in young children ages 6 months through 4 years in Phase 2/3 clinical trial Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine...www.pfizer.com
Please cite your source for saying that only three kids received a vaccination in a Pfizer study.
Also in the NYT.
What to Know About the Covid Vaccine for Little Kids (Published 2022)
Here are answers to five common questions.
I think you misunderstand what "only three kids" is referring to.
No one bothers with a study of only three people. It just isn't done. The stats geeks would throw paper clips at you until you get out of their office.
How did I misunderstand? Both NYT and DM are reporting that the efficacy of the Pfizer vaccine is based on infections in 3 kids. I can see what your saying in terms of safety, but it clearly is based on 3 kids for efficacy.
Apparently there are a lot of paper clips flying in the Pfizer offices.
Desert Hound
DA
To date, there have been about 1k people under 17 who died with covid. Not necessarily because of covid.
They have no risk.
There is no reason to have your kid vaxxed...with the exception if the kid has some rather serious health issues.
Outside of that there is no good reason to get them vaxxed. Doesn't change their risk of death, it doesn't stop the spread of the virus, etc.
More importantly we still don't know if there are long term issues.