Vaccine
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SILVER ELITE
really we don't don't know much about mrna vaccines. - they could cause ibs, cancer, likley causing stroke, cardiac issues, excess death in europe....never let an emergency go to waste though, especially when government $$s are involved.
it's a pretty good experiment , the whole world is the petri dish. It's never been approved outside of of experimental trials until 2020..curious right, when we have othe proven tech...novovax comes to mind. But hey, jab away. I heard someone the other day compare the vaccine to software, consistently updated. And yes, the flu vaccine is updated every year...but that is different. When was the last time you received your flu vaccine then wore a mask to protect you and others from the flu...silliness.
Actually, the flu is a pretty good example...we've never been able to stop a respiratory disease. Looks like a similar outcome for this one. Unfortunately this one has had more of an appetite for very specific demographics.
Japan has been doing masks + vaccine for flu for decades now.
You may not like it, but it's certainly not new.
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SILVER ELITE
nice pivot - why would you think I don't like it? as if it's personal? When was the last time you wore a mask after you received a flu shot in the US?
Have you seen the Japanese numbers against the current variants?
Not really interested in looking at short term numbers from anywhere. It's like measuring sea level by looking only at the top of the tallest wave at high tide.
I would be curious whether mask-prone places like Japan have different results for flu season. That's more of a 10 year average thing than a latest numbers thing.
But, given Japan's density and age profile, that might be hard to do. Who else is old enough and dense enough to create a reasonable comparison?
Nah you’re the guy checking out the New Orleans sea wall and because New Orleans Was dry in the spring declared the sea wall works until Katrina comes along
you were the one obsessed with r0. Have you stopped to think that at certain point the virus is so contagious that nothing short of an n95 makes a difference (and then only for limited times exposure assuming a proper fit). That the difference in r reduced from 1 to .8 is tons more impactful than reducing from 8 to 7.8?
I’m willing to take from you even an acknowledgement that at this point cloth masking is useless (even if you believe it might have been super helpful initially) but I’m sure your religion won’t let you do that. Like Catholics arguing the Virgin Mary you can’t even abandon the concept of perpetual virginity without it all coming down around you.
kickingandscreaming
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@espola. Too easy.
Grace, if you were able to tell me the impact of changing a parameter in a system of differential equations, our conversations on this would be different.
Your example is off, btw. Changes to R are mostly multiplicative, not additive. So it should be 1.0/0.8 versus 8/6.4.
Second mistake is that 1.0 is not immensely different from 0.8. Both are no-ops.
The comparison you want is 1.1/0.9 versus 11/9.
great. Assume arguendo the numbers you pulled out of your butt are correct: you willing to concede 11 to 9 does practically nothing…hence Japan?
I merely informed you that, if you are going to pull numbers out of your butt, you picked the wrong ones. You picked 8, 7.8, 1 and 0.8. Those are the wrong numbers to pull out of your butt. If you want to make your particular case, your butt needs to produce the numbers 11, 9, 1.1, and 0.9.
My authoritarian translator is going ape: “your hypothetical made me uncomfortable so I preferred to duck the question and criticize your numbers. I feel more confident discussing math anyways. Then when you accepted my critique I got all flustered because I really prefer to talk numbers than admit to things that shake my beliefs and terrify me so I’m just going to ignore it again”
man it really is like talking to someone about the perpetual virginity of the Virgin Mary…all faith and no room for the slightest movement that might shake that faith.
ps You should know we have little control over when and how we pull things out of our butt. Shy pooping is just a sad attempt to control the uncontrollable.
Your translator misfired.
What I said was “you do not understand the models well enough to have the discussion you requested.”
You asked me for my opinion on what happens when R changes from 11 to 9. I can talk to you about what happens to peak hospitalizations in the SIR model when you change R from 11 to 9. ( Other people can do it better. ) But would you be able to reply in kind?
Same old same old. Sigh.
Hüsker Dü
DA
I came into the wrong part of this conversation!
Hüsker Dü
DA
If you feel you know everything you’ll never learn anything.
The WHO just announced world wide emergency for Monkeypox. Based on the infornation from the "Science Experts" this is a virus that is spread by men to men who practixe unsafe sex. I have dear friends who are gay and even they say this is crazy. Their advice right now is to just spank the Monkey until more information comes from CDC about this dangerous virus. Be safe out there folks.
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Desert Hound
DA
Dad was telling us the vax stop infection and transmission. Turns out they don't do either.
Matter of fact long ago the gov knew it didn't stop infection...but continued to lie.
"Former White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator Dr. Deborah Birx says she knew that the COVID-19 vaccines would not protect against infection.
“I knew these vaccines were not going to protect against infection. And I think we overplayed the vaccines, and it made people then worry that it’s not going to protect against severe disease and hospitalization,” she told Fox News. “It will. But let’s be very clear: 50% of the people who died from the Omicron surge were older, vaccinated."
Matter of fact long ago the gov knew it didn't stop infection...but continued to lie.
"Former White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator Dr. Deborah Birx says she knew that the COVID-19 vaccines would not protect against infection.
“I knew these vaccines were not going to protect against infection. And I think we overplayed the vaccines, and it made people then worry that it’s not going to protect against severe disease and hospitalization,” she told Fox News. “It will. But let’s be very clear: 50% of the people who died from the Omicron surge were older, vaccinated."
