Vaccine

Anyone else seeing a small wave of Covid in their neck of the woods? I'm seeing it here in SD. Symptoms are mild, don't know if that's a function of those infected being fully boosted or the virus strain, or combination of both. With the exception of one (who is very immuno compromised), all the infections are for "first timers".
 
No the main charge is she surreptitiously worked to reverse the stated goal of the administration (which was to remove Covid restrictions) by undermining it from the inside. And it’s not even a charge. She’s not only admitted to it but is proud of having done it.
It's going to be in the eye of the beholder, whether she's a hero or a traitor. The ethical thing to do would have been for her to come forward with her allegations if it was as serious as she claimed instead of trying to secretly undermine an elected leader.

You're definitely seeing this division between elected leaders and bureaucrats with the right tending to side with the elected (because that's how democracy is supposed to work) and the left tending to side with the bureaucrat (because they have the experience and often the training).

Maybe if we elected more competent leaders this wouldn't be as much of an issue.
 
Anyone else seeing a small wave of Covid in their neck of the woods? I'm seeing it here in SD. Symptoms are mild, don't know if that's a function of those infected being fully boosted or the virus strain, or combination of both. With the exception of one (who is very immuno compromised), all the infections are for "first timers".

If the waste water numbers are to believed its actually a huge wave just slightly less than the one we had this winter. It's just not producing hospitalizations on par with prior waves.

It's going to be in the eye of the beholder, whether she's a hero or a traitor. The ethical thing to do would have been for her to come forward with her allegations if it was as serious as she claimed instead of trying to secretly undermine an elected leader.

You're definitely seeing this division between elected leaders and bureaucrats with the right tending to side with the elected (because that's how democracy is supposed to work) and the left tending to side with the bureaucrat (because they have the experience and often the training).

Maybe if we elected more competent leaders this wouldn't be as much of an issue.

What "competent" is is the eye of the beholder. I doubt dad4 would have regarded a President DeSantis as being competent during COVID and I certainly wouldn't have regarded President Newsom as competent. The only difference now is we have the Trump is crazy/Biden is senile excuse....it's not really a valid excuse
 
Anyone else seeing a small wave of Covid in their neck of the woods? I'm seeing it here in SD. Symptoms are mild, don't know if that's a function of those infected being fully boosted or the virus strain, or combination of both. With the exception of one (who is very immuno compromised), all the infections are for "first timers".
Yeah, it’s kind of all over the place. It’s been building for a couple of months now.

That long flat spot a month back wasn’t actually flat. Vanilla omicron was dropping, and BA.5 was growing. The sum looked flat, but the parts were not.

Now that vanilla omicron is mostly gone, cases are going up, because that’s what BA.5 is doing.

I don’t know how high it will go. For now I’m not doing any more than masking up indoors and picking an outdoor table.
 
If the waste water numbers are to believed its actually a huge wave just slightly less than the one we had this winter. It's just not producing hospitalizations on par with prior waves.



What "competent" is is the eye of the beholder. I doubt dad4 would have regarded a President DeSantis as being competent during COVID and I certainly wouldn't have regarded President Newsom as competent. The only difference now is we have the Trump is crazy/Biden is senile excuse....it's not really a valid excuse
Dad4 gives DeSantis credit for a good elderly vaccination campaign and a solid effort to minimize spread within that community.

Some of that work was done years ago by making sure Florida has enough housing for their elederly population to live a little further apart. That effort took decades, so DeSantis has to share credit with his predecessors.

I’m not a fan of his DeSantis’ encouragement of mid-pandemic tourism or refusal to allow businesses to require vaccination.

If you want to get out there and campaign for DeSantis, go for it. The GOP could do a whole lot worse.
 
Yeah, it’s kind of all over the place. It’s been building for a couple of months now.

That long flat spot a month back wasn’t actually flat. Vanilla omicron was dropping, and BA.5 was growing. The sum looked flat, but the parts were not.

Now that vanilla omicron is mostly gone, cases are going up, because that’s what BA.5 is doing.

I don’t know how high it will go. For now I’m not doing any more than masking up indoors and picking an outdoor table.
Endemic. We will never get to zero covid and we will never get to 100% immunized. It's likely you are prepared to mask indoors and eat outdoors for a very long time - which is fine and your choice. But this is endemic, here to stay.

The good news is that presenting symptoms for the latest and greatest are rather mild and easily treated with traditional methods. Neighbor tested positive a few weeks ago after coming back from a super spreader event in Denver...layered treament protocol, negative test 5 days after positive home test. No fever, tired, muscle soreness. She was vaxxed, not boosted, entire household has had covid, only one other in the house is vaxxed, but not boosted. She did not wear a mask inside the house. Only thing done differently was she slept in spare bedroom once postive..which is silly since she was contagious prior to testing positive and would have infected hubby and rugrats then. No one else in the household of 4 tested postive or bothered to test.

Likely the story of many households across the country.
 
What "competent" is is the eye of the beholder. I doubt dad4 would have regarded a President DeSantis as being competent during COVID and I certainly wouldn't have regarded President Newsom as competent. The only difference now is we have the Trump is crazy/Biden is senile excuse....it's not really a valid excuse
There is a difference between seeing one as incompetent and disagreeing with their policies. Of course, the extreme on both ends are always going to consider the other candidate as incompetent. In some ways qualified may be a better term. Trump is not qualified based on his character and his actions after the loss, Biden is unqualified based on his lack of response to all issues that have faced him and his senility. Although its easy to scapegoat Biden's mental capacity, when its actually his policies that are the biggest issue and that fact that he has surrounded himself with people based on identity and not skill. The senility is more an optic problem currently. His senility though could become a much more serious issue. But let's be honest, we've had to choose the lesser of two evils for a number of election cycles.

IMO, Newsom and DeSantis are qualified since they have been governors of states. My concern with them is that are both extremely partisan.

I'm actually more optimistic than you are for our Country. Every generation has had their cross to bear and sometimes you have to hit rock bottom. I think the parent vote is going to return us to more logical times.
 
I'm actually more optimistic than you are for our Country. Every generation has had their cross to bear and sometimes you have to hit rock bottom. I think the parent vote is going to return us to more logical times.

I hope for everyone's sake you are right and I am wrong. I would be very very happy to be wrong on this one and to admit I'm wrong. I'm actually exaggerating a bit....I think the chances of the country staggering apart are actually only about 10% right now but even that 10% is a shocking number. I do think we are in prolonged period of time across the west where populism and socialism pull against globalism and that we aren't close to rock bottom yet. I can't see a clear path yet for where that dialectic leads us.

I will lay out another prediction though: I think Canada falls apart before we do. If it were ever to come to a national divorce, British Columbia joins the Democratic Republic of Pacifica, and the plains provinces the rump United States.
 
Endemic. We will never get to zero covid and we will never get to 100% immunized. It's likely you are prepared to mask indoors and eat outdoors for a very long time - which is fine and your choice. But this is endemic, here to stay.

The good news is that presenting symptoms for the latest and greatest are rather mild and easily treated with traditional methods. Neighbor tested positive a few weeks ago after coming back from a super spreader event in Denver...layered treament protocol, negative test 5 days after positive home test. No fever, tired, muscle soreness. She was vaxxed, not boosted, entire household has had covid, only one other in the house is vaxxed, but not boosted. She did not wear a mask inside the house. Only thing done differently was she slept in spare bedroom once postive..which is silly since she was contagious prior to testing positive and would have infected hubby and rugrats then. No one else in the household of 4 tested postive or bothered to test.

Likely the story of many households across the country.
Your logic on precautions is more than a little off. You claim that there was no need for post-test precautions since she was contagious before the test, too.

By that argument, there was nothing wrong with sending recovering covid patients back to nursing homes. After all, the other nursing home residents must have been been exposed prior to the positive test, right?

That system doesn’t work.
 
Your logic on precautions is more than a little off. You claim that there was no need for post-test precautions since she was contagious before the test, too.

By that argument, there was nothing wrong with sending recovering covid patients back to nursing homes. After all, the other nursing home residents must have been been exposed prior to the positive test, right?

That system doesn’t work.
My claim? you just love to twist words around..you are like a ballerina - fluttering about

Because a nursing home scenario in 2020 is the same as a house of healthy and vaxxed people in 2022...silly goose.

You would likely have: Not gone on the business trip (Denver was/is a hot spot). You likley would have tested an asymptomatic person. Then you would have sent your spouse into isolation. But probably you wouldn't have gone on the business trip.
 
A reasoned piece on the Monkeypox vaccine and so far the failures of public health to properly manage this. The disease hasn't killed anyone outside of Africa yet because it has largely been contained to younger men, but if it breaks into the child population or pregnant women it could be serious. If we have to dip into the old smallpox vaccines, that's a problem because if you didn't like the side effects from the COVID vaccine, you ain't seen nothing yet. It poses an interesting question: we were willing to kick kids out of school for a year and in some locations are requiring even the autistic/ADHD/deaf ones that have problems masking to make a sacrifice for a disease which had very little impact on them, but we can't ask gay men to stop with the anonymous sex orgies until at least that community can be vaxxed with the newer vax?

 
I’m not a fan of his DeSantis’ encouragement of mid-pandemic tourism or refusal to allow businesses to require vaccination
That is because you prefer lockdowns. You were very concerned at the time.

And yet FL did fine.

You also didn't like him keeping schools open.

And yet that turned out fine.

As a country we would be better off today had we done what Florida did. Keep biz and schools open.
 
That is because you prefer lockdowns. You were very concerned at the time.

And yet FL did fine.

You also didn't like him keeping schools open.

And yet that turned out fine.

As a country we would be better off today had we done what Florida did. Keep biz and schools open.
Suppose the whole country had kept high risk businesses open in the summer of 2020. Where would AZ have gotten the travel nurses they needed to handle their surge?

What actually happened was you imported nurses from lockdown states. If there were no lockdown states, where would you have found the nurses you needed?
 
Yes…yes they did
Yet still trump is outpolling de santis on a 1 to 1 in the most recent poll in michigan

and this is despite the revelation that he essentially got played on Covid because he was too stupid to see the trap birx Set for him. That alone should be disqualifying to his supporters

but it isn’t. He’s still filling rallies in middle America and the cult of personality is still going strong. Saw it myself on my recent trip to flyover land.

until the governors race is over de santis hands are tied. But he seems to have made headway in their mutual home state of Florida so maybe it can be reversed. He’ll have to get out there among the regular folks and show he’s a regular guy (like when the South Dakota governor went to sturgis on a horse carrying the flag). He’ll have to attack trump for Covid and the economic disaster that followed. He’ll have to attack trump for getting played on the ground on the election and his competence on fighting the so called deep state without seemingly endorsing Jan 6. Even then it’s a tough hill to climb.

the dem job seems easier even though it’s a circular firing squad. They just throw Biden under the bus. Unlike trump no one loves him…no one will miss him.
 
If the waste water numbers are to believed its actually a huge wave just slightly less than the one we had this winter. It's just not producing hospitalizations on par with prior waves.
I believe this. Has anyone ever said, "The poop don't lie."?

If a person only has cold-like symptoms, what % of the population will pay for their own test? What is the benefit of knowing and/or admitting you caught COVID?
 
Yet still trump is outpolling de santis on a 1 to 1 in the most recent poll in michigan

and this is despite the revelation that he essentially got played on Covid because he was too stupid to see the trap birx Set for him. That alone should be disqualifying to his supporters

but it isn’t. He’s still filling rallies in middle America and the cult of personality is still going strong. Saw it myself on my recent trip to flyover land.

until the governors race is over de santis hands are tied. But he seems to have made headway in their mutual home state of Florida so maybe it can be reversed. He’ll have to get out there among the regular folks and show he’s a regular guy (like when the South Dakota governor went to sturgis on a horse carrying the flag). He’ll have to attack trump for Covid and the economic disaster that followed. He’ll have to attack trump for getting played on the ground on the election and his competence on fighting the so called deep state without seemingly endorsing Jan 6. Even then it’s a tough hill to climb.

the dem job seems easier even though it’s a circular firing squad. They just throw Biden under the bus. Unlike trump no one loves him…no one will miss him.

I suspect it has more to do the massive amounts of money invested in TRUMP and MAGA flags.
 
I suspect it has more to do the massive amounts of money invested in TRUMP and MAGA flags.

Also pride or self-image. Unlike here, where an embarrassed poster can just disappear and come back hiding under a new persona, actual people who have taken strong political stands with their friends and family usually don't just announce "You know, I was really wrong all those years when I called you all commies."
 
Also pride or self-image. Unlike here, where an embarrassed poster can just disappear and come back hiding under a new persona, actual people who have taken strong political stands with their friends and family usually don't just announce "You know, I was really wrong all those years when I called you all commies."

Cognitive Dissonance is a thing and it manifests itself in many ways also seen on this forum.
 
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