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Grace T. said:
They were rushed. They couldn’t make the deadline before he left office. They didn’t want it clogging up Biden’s first 100 days.
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Biden could certainly use a Trump impeachment trial right now

maybe They can impeach him again
 
Brav520 said:
Biden could certainly use a Trump impeachment trial right now

maybe They can impeach him again
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Why bother? The DOJ and NY AG are giving him enough trouble. There is a possibility that the "richest President ever" may need to beg a judge for a Public Defender.
 
Grace T. said:
I’m not arguing anything about this first impeachment other than espola was wrong in his characterization.

I do have an opinion and think the second was wrong. He didn’t order the mob to seize the capitol. He told them to go home. There’s nothing in his words that would suggest an order towards violent insurrection as opposed to loud but peaceful protest. I think you could impeach him for delaying calls to shut down the thing once it turned violent but then you’d have to hoist Pelosi and the capitol police for being woefully unprepared and poorly executing the response (in some cases with police welcoming in the protestors into the capitol). if he ordered or told pence to overrule the election I think you could do it for that too but you’d need pence to testify. Finally Idont Think you can impeach him after the fact…once he left office it was done. Also just becausecertain behavior isn’t impeachable doesn’t mean it’s not awful.

you’ve gone over to your buddies and gone full troll haven’t you? How far you’ve fallen from the thoughtful, mild mannered yet fearful guy from 2020. Covid really did a number on you.
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He got "Coviditist" and now is a full member of the Covidians.
Grace T. said:
You forgot hoover

I disagree he was the worst. I certainly think he was flawed. The politics of the 20th century were elites on the outside trying to supplant the white shoe often racist oligarchs of the white shoe republicans. See auntie Maime for a representation. The politics of the 21st century are the peons rebelling against the meritocratic elites. That rebellion has taken place on the left and right. Romney/Clinton/bushes are the archetypes of what they are rebelling against. Trumps use to the gop is he advances this dynamic. I agree he was also severely flawed.
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Grace T, were all flawed, let's be fair to Mr. Trump. At least with T, we all saw his flaws out in the open. These people were dealing with, they have no heart and do not play by the rules. They hide & lie all the time and will spy on you and even kill you to STFU!!! They cheat too. They treat women and kids like shit and as pawns. Horrible people we've dealing with on the this planet. I love you Grace T. The TRUTH might come out on Presidents Day :) Notice no more mask or jab talk? I talked to a buddy today and he's already back to normal. He acts as if nothing took place the last 5 years. High up in health field and boy let me tell you, he's double his income. His wife and him made over $700,000 in 2021 and he thinks he might hit $1,000,000 this year. He told me to move out of the state. He loves me and thinks I'm better off in Texas. He took three shots by Wuhan and two flu shots in last year in half. Dude is not the same. He used to be sick once or twice a year for a few days. Guess what? He's been sick so many times I lost count. His last episode was over 10 days. He's fighting the truth so much because he wants normal.
 
espola said:
Why bother? The DOJ and NY AG are giving him enough trouble. There is a possibility that the "richest President ever" may need to beg a judge for a Public Defender.
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Bill Gates says Covid risks have ‘dramatically reduced’ but another pandemic is coming

Bill Gates/Net worth
131.4 billion USD

He's coming out with a new "beyond meat" burger that is beyond anything anyone has ingested into their body before. Metaverse is waiting to take you. What a planet to be on right now. Freedom or Metaverse. Love or Hate. Light or Darkness.
 
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espola said:
How many "details" did you get wrong here?

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He didn’t order the mob to seize the capitol. He told them to go home. There’s nothing in his words that would suggest an order towards violent insurrection as opposed to loud but peaceful protest. I think you could impeach him for delaying calls to shut down the thing once it turned violent but then you’d have to hoist Pelosi and the capitol police for being woefully unprepared and poorly executing the response (in some cases with police welcoming in the protestors into the capitol). if he ordered or told pence to overrule the election I think you could do it for that too but you’d need pence to testify. Finally Idont Think you can impeach him after the fact…once he left office it was done. Also just becausecertain behavior isn’t impeachable doesn’t mean it’s not awful.
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It's just one part of the ongoing lawfare but in this context interesting that just yesterday a judge ruled in the ongoing civil conspiracy suit re several 1/6 figures that Trump (but not Jr. , Guilliani, Brooks, etc) remains on the hook:

"Immediately before directing them to the Capitol, he told rally-goers that they would need to “fight like hell and if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.” When those supporters did “fight like hell,” just as he had told them to, the President did not demand they act “peacefully and patriotically.” He instead tweeted that “Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country.”.....These other statements by the President stand in stark contrast to his passing observation that rally-goers would soon be “peacefully and patriotically” marching to the Capitol."

so, at least for Trump, this heads to discovery. To which, re civil conspiracy, the judge noted.

"....the President’s confidant, Roger Stone. Stone posted on Parler in late December that he had met with the President “to ensure that Donald Trump continues as our president.” Shortly thereafter, Stone spoke with Tarrio, and later he used the Oath Keepers as his security detail for the January 6 Rally. The court does not rely on these allegations to establish the President’s knowledge of the Proud Boys or the Oath Keepers. Other alleged facts make that inference plausible. That said, Stone’s connections to both the President and these groups in the days leading up to January 6th is a well-pleaded fact. Discovery might prove that connection to be an important one."

 
espola said:
Harding was worse than Hoover. Hoover was an honest man of principles in office at the wrong time.

T was the worst President ever. His most fervent supporters (sons, daughter, Rudy, pillowguy) are all now laughingstocks.
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We are defintely lit- kicking ass and taking names. Excellent polling, firm diplomacy that displays international leadership, precise management of domestic policy that has been efficient in keeping inflation in check, borders secure, and cohesive/unifying pandemic policy.

We can only be so lucky to be led by a crack team of foreign policy experts, domestic policy experts, and public health gurus. And back to the polls, excellent work in garnering support and unifying the American people. It's like we've began an American renaissance. You couldn't be prouder.

Can't forget about our crown jewels - NYC, SF, Chicago, Baltimore. Never has a political party done so much for their constituents. Ahh, forgot LA. Can't forget LA, the city and county made up of a rare breed of people who can hold their breath for extended periods of time. I heard the mayor is thinking about competing as a free diver.
 
espola said:
Why bother? The DOJ and NY AG are giving him enough trouble. There is a possibility that the "richest President ever" may need to beg a judge for a Public Defender.
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Do you ever ask yourself -- "who cares?" I suppose media outlets with terrible ratings care. cnn and msdnc hope that trumpy stays in the limelight long enough to maybe get a ratings rebound..
 
what-happened said:
Do you ever ask yourself -- "who cares?" I suppose media outlets with terrible ratings care. cnn and msdnc hope that trumpy stays in the limelight long enough to maybe get a ratings rebound..
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God knows they are trying. Even the attack on Joe Rogan has fizzled and boarders on backfiring…..Especially when everyone who lined up behind Neil Young realized he used it as an opportunity to sell that catalogue he pulled to Amazon for quite a mint!
 
Pelosi says Putin will pay even without Ukraine invasion: you can’t ‘bully the world and take a walk’

Putin is like T now. No matter what he does, he will pay dearly. If he invades, he pays. No invasion, he still pays.
 
EvilGoalie 21 said:
It's just one part of the ongoing lawfare but in this context interesting that just yesterday a judge ruled in the ongoing civil conspiracy suit re several 1/6 figures that Trump (but not Jr. , Guilliani, Brooks, etc) remains on the hook:

"Immediately before directing them to the Capitol, he told rally-goers that they would need to “fight like hell and if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.” When those supporters did “fight like hell,” just as he had told them to, the President did not demand they act “peacefully and patriotically.” He instead tweeted that “Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country.”.....These other statements by the President stand in stark contrast to his passing observation that rally-goers would soon be “peacefully and patriotically” marching to the Capitol."

so, at least for Trump, this heads to discovery. To which, re civil conspiracy, the judge noted.

"....the President’s confidant, Roger Stone. Stone posted on Parler in late December that he had met with the President “to ensure that Donald Trump continues as our president.” Shortly thereafter, Stone spoke with Tarrio, and later he used the Oath Keepers as his security detail for the January 6 Rally. The court does not rely on these allegations to establish the President’s knowledge of the Proud Boys or the Oath Keepers. Other alleged facts make that inference plausible. That said, Stone’s connections to both the President and these groups in the days leading up to January 6th is a well-pleaded fact. Discovery might prove that connection to be an important one."

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1. It’s a civil suit. Not a criminal or impeachment. The standard of proof is much much lower
2. The charge there is conspiracy. Specifically an implied conspiracy. I’ve done a few of these. They are really hard to prove because if there isn’t an express agreement you have to somehow get evidence to prove an implied one
3. The ruling was on demur (or the equivalent in that jurisdiction). It says if the complaint is taken at face value, does it outline a valid claim. It’s not a ruling on evidence. The motion assumes the evidence exists. It’s different than a summary judgment motion which weighs evidence.
4. That’s why the judge emphasized discovery. It’s possible they find evidence to support the charge. It’s possible they don’t.
 
Grace T. said:
1. It’s a civil suit. Not a criminal or impeachment. The standard of proof is much much lower
2. The charge there is conspiracy. Specifically an implied conspiracy. I’ve done a few of these. They are really hard to prove because if there isn’t an express agreement you have to somehow get evidence to prove an implied one
3. The ruling was on demur (or the equivalent in that jurisdiction). It says if the complaint is taken at face value, does it outline a valid claim. It’s not a ruling on evidence. The motion assumes the evidence exists. It’s different than a summary judgment motion which weighs evidence.
4. That’s why the judge emphasized discovery. It’s possible they find evidence to support the charge. It’s possible they don’t.
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Excellent job counselor.
 
Grace T. said:
1. It’s a civil suit. Not a criminal or impeachment. The standard of proof is much much lower
2. The charge there is conspiracy. Specifically an implied conspiracy. I’ve done a few of these. They are really hard to prove because if there isn’t an express agreement you have to somehow get evidence to prove an implied one
3. The ruling was on demur (or the equivalent in that jurisdiction). It says if the complaint is taken at face value, does it outline a valid claim. It’s not a ruling on evidence. The motion assumes the evidence exists. It’s different than a summary judgment motion which weighs evidence.
4. That’s why the judge emphasized discovery. It’s possible they find evidence to support the charge. It’s possible they don’t.
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Sure. It's a ruling on motion to dismiss. Probably tours the DC circuit and supremes. Long way from a T deposition. But Mehta speaks to peaceable nature of speech (or lack thereof). Comments re degrees of separation between OK, Willard and T are interesting.
 
Grace T. said:
I recall someone posted clips of ds using the same “fight like hell” response. If that’s your smoking gun it’s legally a poor one.
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Taken in context with what all else was being said by others you’d have to be fool or a strictly partisan fool to see otherwise. Lots of things are legal that aren’t right, moral and might even put you in serious danger when perpetrated against the wrong people. Like I have heard said, “you may hear Harleys, you may not”.
 
Kicker 2.0 said:
God knows they are trying. Even the attack on Joe Rogan has fizzled and boarders on backfiring…..Especially when everyone who lined up behind Neil Young realized he used it as an opportunity to sell that catalogue he pulled to Amazon for quite a mint!
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You sure about that! Amazon? Lol! Try again . . . and your timing is all wrong as well. But what do you know that you aren’t told to know? Lol!

Oh, and even Rogan admitted he needed to clean up his act, sooooo. Again, lol!
 
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