It’s called “lying by omission”….we only get information he deems is important. Wonder what else he is withholding.
Vaccine
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Why should kids get vax’d if they aren’t at risk? Who are you protecting, the vaccinated?
why do the vaccinated need protecting?
Why would I even care about it at this point?
Firstly, as usual, you've conflated a bunch of variables. Indoor/outdoor....pretty solid evidence outdoor is worse for facilitating spread. Masks/unmasked...you didn't answer the time BTW which is much more relevant or what types of masks but the impact here particularly if the time is long is minimal. Ventilation of course it's important for transmissions.
BUT AGAIN WHY DO YOU CARE ABOUT TRANSMISSION? Everyone in that room has been vaccinated (and likely offered a booster), or offered a vaccine or is so young it doesn't matter. If it's a glassstaff person they shouldn't be in that room. The vaccine works....I care about severe outcomes....I don't care if people catch colds....again, WHY DO YOU?
Seriously man the more and more we come out of this the more unhinged you are becoming.
Only after doing Government Overreach and Abuse of power.
I told you why.
You want to draw a nice bright line. Vaccinated to the left. Previously infected to the left. No immunity to the right. Now we have neatly divided the population into those who are protected and those who chose their risk.
The real world is not that clean. About 2-2.5% of the population us immuno-compromised. Even after they get boosted, they still have one foot on each side of your line. Some people are old enough that they are vulnerable anyway. Even after you draw your neat little line, there are still millions of vulnerable people who don’t really fit on either side.
Then think about what happens to our medical system when millions of unvaccinated people get the new variant, all at the same time? When the lung specialist is working 60 hour weeks treating covid patients, how much time does a pneumonia or emphysema patient get?
It is much simpler if we all follow the advice we have been given: vaccine, mask, outdoor, distance. All of it. Not skipping the mask part because we think a twitter feed does better science than NIH.
Desert Hound
DA
You realize the world is moving on. What you say is simple, etc... people vaxxed or not have had enough of it.
Masks didn't stop the spread and their usage is going away. Mandates for them are going away rather fast.
Distancing? Again that is going away or gone in most parts.
Outdoor? That doesn't work due to the nature of business, buildings, etc. Most commerce, interaction, etc is done indoors.
In other words you are tilting at windmills again.
Doing the above didn't work and so it is pointless to try to continue something that only hurts education, devastates business, has caused rampant inflation, etc.
You have a real problem with reality, I am still trying to figure out if you really believe in the nonsense you spew. Case count has lost much of its value for so many reasons, so that argument will no longer work for you. I imagine this is you trying, to figure it all out..... I worry that you are having trouble seeing reality because you are so fixated on numbers and hypothesis
What you want is a prescription to never return back to normal. I told you way back when in early 2020 that it couldn't go on forever. "Distance" = no normal social interactions for more than 2 years out. It's more horrifying than even the mask part. No thanks. Hard pass.
Again, as to the glassstaff people, they (like my folks) should be taking steps to isolate themselves if we are worried. At this point our efforts should be directed at boosting the elderly (you want a mandate...there's one I can actually get behind....no residence inside a nursing home unless you are boosted certain very limited religious and health reasons excepted) and immunocompromised and supporting them to the extent they still feel vulnerable. Beyond that, we don't glassstaff for flu...we don't glassstaff for RSV.
The medical system has never collapsed and by the time omicron is done, almost everyone will have natural immunity or be vaccinated. Your point there is irrelevant there, especially considering the government has had more than 2 years now to prepare for that eventually.
Finally, as to variants, you know I've told you repeatedly the issue isn't here in the US or highly vaccinated Europe....it's in the third world. Another thing I could get behind is vaccines for the third world (and something the Biden admin has done a very poor job with....vaccinated nonvulnerable young people here while elderly in the third world are dying).
You deny it, but everything in your response reads COVID zero. I swear man as this comes to an end, you've become completely unhinged.
Your basic argument is that masks and distance didn’t work because you were too stubborn to do it.
I agree with that statement. People like you contributed to a lot of death and misery by refusing to do your part.
Fortunately, by now it is mostly over.
One of my old clients owned a Thai place. He put his whole rainy day fund towards his dream of cooking his great grammies Thai cuisine to all the folks in San Gabriel Valley. He was kicking ass until the first wave of Covid hit our shores in early 2020. He did not have a big rainy day fund because his funds were all in at his business. People like him were not prepared to be ruined and told, "SOL Pal." I go to a killer place in Lake Forest. Before Covid, the place was packed and full of love and joy. Today, no one to serve you. Most people take out but you can sit and serve yourself. No dishwasher so all paper plates. So sad to see the destruction of people's business. My checker is moving to AZ. She's had enough.
Reality? Like the reality that 900,000 Americans are now dead, but 600,000 of them would be alive if we had done as well as Canada?
Yeah, let’s talk a little about that reality. There is the cost. 600,000 deaths. Did our anti-vax, anti-mask movement get us any kind of benefit to outweigh it? Or did we just watch 600,000 people die for no good reason?
No, it's not. As evilgoalkeeper pointed out to you there are a lot of other variables there. Firstly, I trust you have done the comparison of deaths to millions. Second, you aren't taking into account certain variables that could control death numbers like obesity, age, and race. Third, you aren't taking into account variables that might impact cases pre vaccine like density and seasonality (the US also has a variety of seasonal zones) and the border. Fourth, anything post vax is those people making their own independent choices and dealing with the consequences. So it's not "600,000".
Next we need to break down individual policies. Masks? They didn't do very much. Yeah, I know you disagree but there's not much I can do to ply the blue pill from your cold dead hands. So if not that, what other policies are you talking about? Lockdowns? We've all said that's what you've wanted so I'm glad it's out in the open: Australia/NZ type lockdowns is what you've always wanted. BTW, it's funny you got so offended about you being called an authoritarian and there you are rushing to hug the country which is now being accused of being the biggest authoritarian of the western democracies, even out of step now with Europe.
You aren't even being honest with the numbers anymore. You know it's not 600,000. But as I said, you've become completely divorced from reality, and emotionally unhinged as this comes to a close.
what-happened
GOLD
Junk math and junk studies. unfortuantely some junk medicine as well (on both sides of the equestion). Bars early on certainly seemed risky, not anymore. Even spain has lifted restrictions on vaccine passports. They've conceded the equal opportunity nature of little o - it just doesn't care what's been injected into your body. From their view, they've vaccinted plenty, now time to let it ride
what-happened
GOLD
600K? splain.
You want FUD as an escape from responsibility. Maybe, if you throw enough sand in the air and point in enough different directions, you won’t have to face the fact that you’ve been advocating for actions and policies which resulted in a lot of deaths.
There is plenty of reason to believe that deaths in the US were far higher than was necessary. Birx was even harsher than I am. She went on record with the claim that the first 100K deaths were baked in, and everything after that was preventable.
So, yes. The anti-mask, anti-vaccine, pro-indoor recreation movement resulted in a lot of deaths. And 600,000 is a reasonable estimate.
Our death rate is about 3X the death rate in Canada.
We had 900K deaths. If we had had Canada’s death rate, that would be 300K.
Don't get me started on Birx. Only a handful of sources to go on, including the Atlas book, but if Atlas is even half right Birx was an even bigger clown than Fauci. That number is just laughable on its face as is your 600,000 figure. Again, completely divorced from reality. Peru would like to have a word with you BTW (yeah I know you'll distinguish on the grounds of poverty....and round and round we go just like evilgoalkeeper said....you'll distinguish everything to justify your fantasy)
The only way we get to the numbers you cite are basically at a minimum Australian/New Zealand/Singapore type authoritarian measures or maybe even China. That's what it would have taken. That's what you want. And then you wonder why we call you an authoritarian.
Once again there is the fixation, there is actually a name for it Arithmomania, often found in those with OCD. Check it out. IMO you are so fixated on certain numbers you are failing to recognize reality such as...let look JAMA leading causes of death in 2020
Covid- 345,000... Unintentional- 192,000... Influenza 53,000...Diabetes 101,000...Suicide 45,000
So numbers guy....why such laser focus on Covid? I just listed 4 other leading causes of death where people died for no good reason.
Influenza you can get vaccinated but still killed 53,000
Eating would reduce diabetes greatly but those with diabetes generally have very poor eating habits
Last year we made people stay inside and suffer and have lost 45,000 to suicides
All those can be prevented and occur to ALL ages!!!
Then we have your Covid...were 93% of those that die are over 50 and of those 50% had hypertension and 40% had Diabetes...in some cities you will find those that died of covid and are obese or have diabetes to be over 50%
You are so fixated on the numbers you are failing to realize the small subset of people this is really affecting. The media has done such a good job of creating fear and doubt that people have no idea of the truth. What about those numbers?
It is absolutely ridiculous what are government is doing, suppressing people so they can rely on the government to pull them through, so sad for all those who have fought and died for this country and our freedom
Everything You Should Know About COVID-19 and Diabetes
Worried about being high-risk for COVID-19 with diabetes? Here’s what you should know...
www.healthline.com
Fascinating. Explains a lot
So much wrong with this CDC post starting with the picture with the barely out of toddlerhood (who most of Europe doesn't mask) kid wearing what is probably a counterfeit KN95 (at least it is for most people that try and buy one). At this point the CDC has completely shattered any remaining credibility it has and is just trying to drive up vaccination numbers to reach bureaucratic internal targets and justify the money spent on pharma. It's disgusting.