One of my old clients owned a Thai place. He put his whole rainy day fund towards his dream of cooking his great grammies Thai cuisine to all the folks in San Gabriel Valley. He was kicking ass until the first wave of Covid hit our shores in early 2020. He did not have a big rainy day fund because his funds were all in at his business. People like him were not prepared to be ruined and told, "SOL Pal." I go to a killer place in Lake Forest. Before Covid, the place was packed and full of love and joy. Today, no one to serve you. Most people take out but you can sit and serve yourself. No dishwasher so all paper plates. So sad to see the destruction of people's business. My checker is moving to AZ. She's had enough.
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Reality? Like the reality that 900,000 Americans are now dead, but 600,000 of them would be alive if we had done as well as Canada?
Yeah, let’s talk a little about that reality. There is the cost. 600,000 deaths. Did our anti-vax, anti-mask movement get us any kind of benefit to outweigh it? Or did we just watch 600,000 people die for no good reason?
No, it's not. As evilgoalkeeper pointed out to you there are a lot of other variables there. Firstly, I trust you have done the comparison of deaths to millions. Second, you aren't taking into account certain variables that could control death numbers like obesity, age, and race. Third, you aren't taking into account variables that might impact cases pre vaccine like density and seasonality (the US also has a variety of seasonal zones) and the border. Fourth, anything post vax is those people making their own independent choices and dealing with the consequences. So it's not "600,000".
Next we need to break down individual policies. Masks? They didn't do very much. Yeah, I know you disagree but there's not much I can do to ply the blue pill from your cold dead hands. So if not that, what other policies are you talking about? Lockdowns? We've all said that's what you've wanted so I'm glad it's out in the open: Australia/NZ type lockdowns is what you've always wanted. BTW, it's funny you got so offended about you being called an authoritarian and there you are rushing to hug the country which is now being accused of being the biggest authoritarian of the western democracies, even out of step now with Europe.
You aren't even being honest with the numbers anymore. You know it's not 600,000. But as I said, you've become completely divorced from reality, and emotionally unhinged as this comes to a close.
what-happened
GOLD
Junk math and junk studies. unfortuantely some junk medicine as well (on both sides of the equestion). Bars early on certainly seemed risky, not anymore. Even spain has lifted restrictions on vaccine passports. They've conceded the equal opportunity nature of little o - it just doesn't care what's been injected into your body. From their view, they've vaccinted plenty, now time to let it ride
what-happened
GOLD
600K? splain.
You want FUD as an escape from responsibility. Maybe, if you throw enough sand in the air and point in enough different directions, you won’t have to face the fact that you’ve been advocating for actions and policies which resulted in a lot of deaths.
There is plenty of reason to believe that deaths in the US were far higher than was necessary. Birx was even harsher than I am. She went on record with the claim that the first 100K deaths were baked in, and everything after that was preventable.
So, yes. The anti-mask, anti-vaccine, pro-indoor recreation movement resulted in a lot of deaths. And 600,000 is a reasonable estimate.
Our death rate is about 3X the death rate in Canada.
We had 900K deaths. If we had had Canada’s death rate, that would be 300K.
Don't get me started on Birx. Only a handful of sources to go on, including the Atlas book, but if Atlas is even half right Birx was an even bigger clown than Fauci. That number is just laughable on its face as is your 600,000 figure. Again, completely divorced from reality. Peru would like to have a word with you BTW (yeah I know you'll distinguish on the grounds of poverty....and round and round we go just like evilgoalkeeper said....you'll distinguish everything to justify your fantasy)
The only way we get to the numbers you cite are basically at a minimum Australian/New Zealand/Singapore type authoritarian measures or maybe even China. That's what it would have taken. That's what you want. And then you wonder why we call you an authoritarian.
Once again there is the fixation, there is actually a name for it Arithmomania, often found in those with OCD. Check it out. IMO you are so fixated on certain numbers you are failing to recognize reality such as...let look JAMA leading causes of death in 2020
Covid- 345,000... Unintentional- 192,000... Influenza 53,000...Diabetes 101,000...Suicide 45,000
So numbers guy....why such laser focus on Covid? I just listed 4 other leading causes of death where people died for no good reason.
Influenza you can get vaccinated but still killed 53,000
Eating would reduce diabetes greatly but those with diabetes generally have very poor eating habits
Last year we made people stay inside and suffer and have lost 45,000 to suicides
All those can be prevented and occur to ALL ages!!!
Then we have your Covid...were 93% of those that die are over 50 and of those 50% had hypertension and 40% had Diabetes...in some cities you will find those that died of covid and are obese or have diabetes to be over 50%
You are so fixated on the numbers you are failing to realize the small subset of people this is really affecting. The media has done such a good job of creating fear and doubt that people have no idea of the truth. What about those numbers?
It is absolutely ridiculous what are government is doing, suppressing people so they can rely on the government to pull them through, so sad for all those who have fought and died for this country and our freedom
Everything You Should Know About COVID-19 and Diabetes
Worried about being high-risk for COVID-19 with diabetes? Here’s what you should know...
www.healthline.com
Fascinating. Explains a lot
So much wrong with this CDC post starting with the picture with the barely out of toddlerhood (who most of Europe doesn't mask) kid wearing what is probably a counterfeit KN95 (at least it is for most people that try and buy one). At this point the CDC has completely shattered any remaining credibility it has and is just trying to drive up vaccination numbers to reach bureaucratic internal targets and justify the money spent on pharma. It's disgusting.
what-happened
GOLD
uhh, no, not that simple. Way too many factors to efficiently cover. Some factors lean your way, others don't but certainly much more complex than the straight line you like to draw. So much more complex. But simple math equations are fun.
Desert Hound
DA
It is fascinating that he still thinks outside of 100k baked in everyone else was because we didn't do it right.
He still wants covid zero. He seems paranoid to be honest.
He is still essentially advocating masks, would prefer bars/restaurants and other indoor places be shut or limited.
And the most fascinating part? The world around him is basically throwing in the towel and saying yeah lets get to normal. We will live with this like we do every other disease that afflicts us. And he doesn't want to.
what-happened
GOLD
The CDC is hilarious, especially it starts this early release article with:
So sciency and unbiased.
what-happened
GOLD
Good call by CA - CA adults are seasoned at holding their breaths...their offspring still need to develop the talent.
You would think that given how good we've gotten at it, we'd be breaking some world records by now.
Desert Hound
DA
And of course shutting stuff down, spending money we dont have is really starting to bite.
A lot of very bad consequences from following terrible covid policies.
We decimated businesses. We forced people to use savings or borrow money. Kids got screwed educationally, etc. And now? Well everything is getting rather pricey. Hurting those that can least afford it.
We did all of that in a don Quijote like quest to stop a respiratory virus. Something that a number of experts told us from the beginning we had NO CHANCE of actually stopping...and their conclusion was focus on the vulnerable...let everyone else do their thing.
The bill for these idiotic policies is going to be very large.
Wholesale inflation in the United States surged again last month, rising 9.7% from a year earlier in a sign that price pressures remain high at all levels of the economy.
Last week, the government reported that inflation at the consumer level soared over the past year at its highest rate in four decades, squeezing households, wiping out pay raises and reinforcing the Federal Reserve's decision to begin raising borrowing rates. The 7.5% price surge ranged across the economy, from food and furniture to apartment rents, airline fares and electricity.
A lot of very bad consequences from following terrible covid policies.
We decimated businesses. We forced people to use savings or borrow money. Kids got screwed educationally, etc. And now? Well everything is getting rather pricey. Hurting those that can least afford it.
We did all of that in a don Quijote like quest to stop a respiratory virus. Something that a number of experts told us from the beginning we had NO CHANCE of actually stopping...and their conclusion was focus on the vulnerable...let everyone else do their thing.
The bill for these idiotic policies is going to be very large.
Wholesale inflation in the United States surged again last month, rising 9.7% from a year earlier in a sign that price pressures remain high at all levels of the economy.
Last week, the government reported that inflation at the consumer level soared over the past year at its highest rate in four decades, squeezing households, wiping out pay raises and reinforcing the Federal Reserve's decision to begin raising borrowing rates. The 7.5% price surge ranged across the economy, from food and furniture to apartment rents, airline fares and electricity.
GoldenGate
GOLD
Once again there is the fixation, there is actually a name for it Arithmomania, often found in those with OCD. Check it out. IMO you are so fixated on certain numbers you are failing to recognize reality such as...let look JAMA leading causes of death in 2020
Covid- 345,000... Unintentional- 192,000... Influenza 53,000...Diabetes 101,000...Suicide 45,000
So numbers guy....why such laser focus on Covid? I just listed 4 other leading causes of death where people died for no good reason.
Influenza you can get vaccinated but still killed 53,000
Eating would reduce diabetes greatly but those with diabetes generally have very poor eating habits
Last year we made people stay inside and suffer and have lost 45,000 to suicides
All those can be prevented and occur to ALL ages!!!
Then we have your Covid...were 93% of those that die are over 50 and of those 50% had hypertension and 40% had Diabetes...in some cities you will find those that died of covid and are obese or have diabetes to be over 50%
You are so fixated on the numbers you are failing to realize the small subset of people this is really affecting. The media has done such a good job of creating fear and doubt that people have no idea of the truth. What about those numbers?
It is absolutely ridiculous what are government is doing, suppressing people so they can rely on the government to pull them through, so sad for all those who have fought and died for this country and our freedom
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Everything You Should Know About COVID-19 and Diabetes
Worried about being high-risk for COVID-19 with diabetes? Here’s what you should know...
Those fuckers with diabetes had it coming. And old people. And high risk children.
Wow...so rash...nobody said they had it coming...you are kind of extreme!!! But as you would say for those who have not been vaccinated- totally avoidable!
But that is the sort of comment that I have come used to, instead of trying to fix the real problem, go to the extreme and avoid the obvious. You are very predictable and fit right in, with those that suppressing others and rely on the government because they can't think for themselves