So you say.
You also told us, with equal confidence, that Arizona was not actually having a case spike. It was all an artifact of increased testing, as I recall.
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You also told us, with equal confidence, that Arizona was not actually having a case spike. It was all an artifact of increased testing, as I recall.
Desert Hound
DA
And the time is now to stop crap like this.
Transmission matters. Not cases.
I don’t care how many people catch a mild case, discover it through testing, and quarantine before they give it to anyone.
Desert Hound
DA
The CDC has been very clearly political in their handling of covid and their preferred solutions.A good piece by Vinay Prasad on the junk studies the CDC has been putting out that have been geared to justify their policies, and how it resembles propaganda (hmmm....someone around here has used that word before to describe these) rather than actual science. It leads the realclearpolitics articles for today.
How the CDC Abandoned Science
Mass youth hospitalizations, COVID-induced diabetes, and other myths from the brave new world of science as political propagandawww.tabletmag.com
This is absolutely one of the flat out most ridiculous and nonsensical things you've written here (which BTW your track record started while overly cautious yet thoughtful when this stuff started to the increasingly disconnected from reality now).
1. Transmission is even more 1 step removed from severe outcome. In the absence of a case it is a meaningless statistic (and why some of us as a result are hoping for an end to meaningless asymptomatic testing).
2. Going back to normal means that if cases are mild, they shouldn't have to test, much less quarantine. A simple rule of stay home if sick should suffice. If schools and offices want to do temperature checks and send home obviously sick individuals great, but nothing more is really needed.
3. You realize you've just essentially said you don't care if the vaccines do well in reducing severe outcome...what you really care about is that people don't give it to one another. You've essentially just admitted you are still all in to COVID zero.
A more generous heart would just ascribe this to your focus on mathematics than words and therefore being imprecise, particularly when compounded with the internet, but my ever growing skeptical nature forbids me from fully accepting that.
If you want to tell me growth rates don’t matter, you need to take a biological dynamical systems class.
Without that, you are just repeating “I don’t understand it, but it can’t be true.”
GoldenGate
GOLD
Yes, schools aren't requiring kids get vaccinated, so they get masks. They wouldn't be wearing masks if the parents of the little unvaccinated shits would do what they should.
So is your daughter getting vaxxed before heading to Spain, or will it be the shortest trip ever? How's unemployment btw?
Hmmmm....strike up another reason for me being right. Guess I don't need to regret not having a generous heart.
I don't care if the world catches a cold if there's no technology on the horizon that prevents it. I care about serious outcomes. I seriously don't understand the topsy turvey world you are living in.
thirteenknots
SILVER ELITE
Agree you don’t understand it.
Do you find the following sentence plausible:
Covid transmission in a poorly ventilated space between unmasked unvaccinated people is roughly a thousand times more efficient than covid transmission outdoors between masked vaccinated people.
My bet is you read it and think “no way.”
I read it and think “19:1 for being outside. 6:1 for the recipient’s vaccine. That’s over 100:1. Then something for the source’s vaccine and the two masks. Yes, it is reasonable.”
It’s called “lying by omission”….we only get information he deems is important. Wonder what else he is withholding.
Why should kids get vax’d if they aren’t at risk? Who are you protecting, the vaccinated?
why do the vaccinated need protecting?
Why would I even care about it at this point?
Firstly, as usual, you've conflated a bunch of variables. Indoor/outdoor....pretty solid evidence outdoor is worse for facilitating spread. Masks/unmasked...you didn't answer the time BTW which is much more relevant or what types of masks but the impact here particularly if the time is long is minimal. Ventilation of course it's important for transmissions.
BUT AGAIN WHY DO YOU CARE ABOUT TRANSMISSION? Everyone in that room has been vaccinated (and likely offered a booster), or offered a vaccine or is so young it doesn't matter. If it's a glassstaff person they shouldn't be in that room. The vaccine works....I care about severe outcomes....I don't care if people catch colds....again, WHY DO YOU?
Seriously man the more and more we come out of this the more unhinged you are becoming.
Only after doing Government Overreach and Abuse of power.
I told you why.
You want to draw a nice bright line. Vaccinated to the left. Previously infected to the left. No immunity to the right. Now we have neatly divided the population into those who are protected and those who chose their risk.
The real world is not that clean. About 2-2.5% of the population us immuno-compromised. Even after they get boosted, they still have one foot on each side of your line. Some people are old enough that they are vulnerable anyway. Even after you draw your neat little line, there are still millions of vulnerable people who don’t really fit on either side.
Then think about what happens to our medical system when millions of unvaccinated people get the new variant, all at the same time? When the lung specialist is working 60 hour weeks treating covid patients, how much time does a pneumonia or emphysema patient get?
It is much simpler if we all follow the advice we have been given: vaccine, mask, outdoor, distance. All of it. Not skipping the mask part because we think a twitter feed does better science than NIH.
Desert Hound
DA
You realize the world is moving on. What you say is simple, etc... people vaxxed or not have had enough of it.
Masks didn't stop the spread and their usage is going away. Mandates for them are going away rather fast.
Distancing? Again that is going away or gone in most parts.
Outdoor? That doesn't work due to the nature of business, buildings, etc. Most commerce, interaction, etc is done indoors.
In other words you are tilting at windmills again.
Doing the above didn't work and so it is pointless to try to continue something that only hurts education, devastates business, has caused rampant inflation, etc.
You have a real problem with reality, I am still trying to figure out if you really believe in the nonsense you spew. Case count has lost much of its value for so many reasons, so that argument will no longer work for you. I imagine this is you trying, to figure it all out..... I worry that you are having trouble seeing reality because you are so fixated on numbers and hypothesis
What you want is a prescription to never return back to normal. I told you way back when in early 2020 that it couldn't go on forever. "Distance" = no normal social interactions for more than 2 years out. It's more horrifying than even the mask part. No thanks. Hard pass.
Again, as to the glassstaff people, they (like my folks) should be taking steps to isolate themselves if we are worried. At this point our efforts should be directed at boosting the elderly (you want a mandate...there's one I can actually get behind....no residence inside a nursing home unless you are boosted certain very limited religious and health reasons excepted) and immunocompromised and supporting them to the extent they still feel vulnerable. Beyond that, we don't glassstaff for flu...we don't glassstaff for RSV.
The medical system has never collapsed and by the time omicron is done, almost everyone will have natural immunity or be vaccinated. Your point there is irrelevant there, especially considering the government has had more than 2 years now to prepare for that eventually.
Finally, as to variants, you know I've told you repeatedly the issue isn't here in the US or highly vaccinated Europe....it's in the third world. Another thing I could get behind is vaccines for the third world (and something the Biden admin has done a very poor job with....vaccinated nonvulnerable young people here while elderly in the third world are dying).
You deny it, but everything in your response reads COVID zero. I swear man as this comes to an end, you've become completely unhinged.
Your basic argument is that masks and distance didn’t work because you were too stubborn to do it.
I agree with that statement. People like you contributed to a lot of death and misery by refusing to do your part.
Fortunately, by now it is mostly over.