Vaccine

Nah, minds aren't being changed in this forum....not going to bother. This is a beast of a topic that deserves its own off topic thread. But at least you clicked on the link -- perhaps you even read something. Baby steps.
So you can expend the effort to respond with the ad hominem but can't add a sentence or two for the basis for your opinion. Got it. Their are pros and cons to school vouchers. Studies have shown they provide positive benefits in educational improvement, although probably not as significantly as many of us would like. I'm pro-choice in all respects, something the left was until they decided they knew what's best for everyone.
 
So you can expend the effort to respond with the ad hominem but can't add a sentence or two for the basis for your opinion. Got it. Their are pros and cons to school vouchers. Studies have shown they provide positive benefits in educational improvement, although probably not as significantly as many of us would like. I'm pro-choice in all respects, something the left was until they decided they knew what's best for everyone.

Studies?
 
absolutely, if worn correctly. It's challenge for professionals to wear them correctly for long periods of time - won't work for our children. If teachers and others are fearful, they can wear them.
Where do you get the idea that a poorly fitted N95 mask is equivalent to no mask?

I understand that it is an appealing argument. After all, it absolves you of all responsibility. You get to go maskless because you haven’t had the special training.

But it is also completely full of shit, logically. We can do a web search for papers on the effectiveness of N95 masks when worn without training. We both know the papers won’t say “same as no mask.”
 
For someone who accuses me of having no data, you didn’t put much data in your post.

Some data for you. Unvaccinated people near me are testing positive at six times the rate of the vaccinated.


If you multiply it out, the 15% of people who are not vaccinated are responsible for over 50% of all transmission. (For SCC)

Ok. Your turn. Do you have any real data, or just trash talk?

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." - Mark Twain

You can try to spin the numbers however you want, it doesn't change reality. If 50% of the transmission comes from 15% of the people than how many people are obese since they account for 110% of those hospitalized and 50% of the cases? You can manipulate the numbers however you like, but that doesn't make it truth. More importantly, how accurate is the case count actually? The third testing company is being sued this week for falsifying test and not marking the test with proper names.

Back to the numbers...how you can definitively say that the vaccinated didn't spread it at a given rate if people don't know exactly when or how they contracted the virus?

Reality is in front of you, don't hide behind the numbers when it is clear what is going on

 
Where do you get the idea that a poorly fitted N95 mask is equivalent to no mask?

I understand that it is an appealing argument. After all, it absolves you of all responsibility. You get to go maskless because you haven’t had the special training.

But it is also completely full of shit, logically. We can do a web search for papers on the effectiveness of N95 masks when worn without training. We both know the papers won’t say “same as no mask.”
You know as well as I do that N95s aren't recommended for children and many of the KN95s in children's sizes are counterfeit.

And again, what are we trying to protect here? If the teacher is worried the teacher can wear the N95 and the teacher can get vaxxed.

p.s. it never fails but every time you get backed into a corner you always lash out....
 
Some thoughts.....about the sudden changes...regarding masks, lockdowns, restrictions, etc.
We [CNN "science analysts"] will just repeat what the "conspiracy theorists" said and were banned for the last 2 years.
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How convenient. The science has changed on the incandescently unpopular policy to which lefty politicians and technocrats have been ideologically clinging, just as voter sentiment was hardening in the runup to a national election. Sometimes in politics you just get lucky!


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Weird. "I trust the science" has been the go-to moral response to questioning CDC policy. Now we're told the science can change. Are we still not allowed to question CDC policy?
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It's a simple, basic point -- so basic that even Bill Maher has tumbled on to it.

Whenever these guys are caught being wrong, for the hundredth time, they claim, "Well, science is an inexact science, you know. Science changes and we learn more."

They say that retrospectively, looking backwards, to explain away their errors.

But what do they say in the moment? In the all-important vital present?

In the present, in the Fierce Urgency of Now -- when we could, hypothetically, debate and change policies -- they insist that the science is absolutely settled and foolproof and beyond any question or quibble.

Futhermore, they literally organize smear campaigns with their leftwing media allies to brand anyone disagreeing with the unchangeable and eternal One True Science as "fringe" "conspiracy theorists" spreading baseless "dangerous disinformation."

This "dangerous disinformation" is accused of being of such a profoundly false and wholly baseless nature that it must not only be denounced as if it were blasphemy but driven from the public debate by authoritarian means such as censorship, deplatforming, and imposing professional penalties against those who speak these heresies.

And then a year later they go, "Oh well sure, we got another one wrong, but science is more art than science, yannow?"


So when you ask questions or dispute them, they brand you a conspiracy theorist and lobby media monopolists to censor you as spreading "disinformation."

Then when it turns out they were wrong -- again -- they just shrug and say, "Oh science is always changing and we're always learning more and we're often wrong. Everyone knows that. What, did you think it was magic where we could guarantee success??!!"
 
So you can expend the effort to respond with the ad hominem but can't add a sentence or two for the basis for your opinion. Got it. Their are pros and cons to school vouchers. Studies have shown they provide positive benefits in educational improvement, although probably not as significantly as many of us would like. I'm pro-choice in all respects, something the left was until they decided they knew what's best for everyone.

You've been along here long enough to know how it works. They are on the side of truth and justice, their arguments are selfevident, so when they respond with things like "completely full of shit, logically" they are just putting us in their place. But God help us if we call their arguments or policies authoritarian and suddenly our arguments are completely without merit because we have to resort to ads.
 
You know as well as I do that N95s aren't recommended for children and many of the KN95s in children's sizes are counterfeit.

And again, what are we trying to protect here? If the teacher is worried the teacher can wear the N95 and the teacher can get vaxxed.

p.s. it never fails but every time you get backed into a corner you always lash out....
Adults, Grace. Adults, by skipping masks and vaccines, are shirking their burden.
 
Where do you get the idea that a poorly fitted N95 mask is equivalent to no mask?

I understand that it is an appealing argument. After all, it absolves you of all responsibility. You get to go maskless because you haven’t had the special training.

But it is also completely full of shit, logically. We can do a web search for papers on the effectiveness of N95 masks when worn without training. We both know the papers won’t say “same as no mask.”
you are delirous. I don't need a web search or a study to tell me that when a seal isn't properly formed, air escapes. If air escapes..then..well, you know the air escapes.

When was the last time you wore a respirator for 6-8 hrs straight?

Besides, even the CDC admits the real-world effectiveness of face coverings to prevent acquisition of SARS-CoV-2 infection has not been widely studied. And phone surveys from peeps in CA doesn't really count.
 
Adults, Grace. Adults, by skipping masks and vaccines, are shirking their burden.

What burden?
If you've had it, your natural immunity will protect you just fine.
If you are under 30, and aren't immuno compromised, you'll probably be just fine.
If your vaxxed, good for you! Why do you need a mask...you are just delaying when you'll get COVID assuming you are going to go through the burden and wear the dumb n95 all day....why not get it over with.
Otherwise you are an adult...make your choices....again I don't understand you obsession with cases....either you believe in the vaxx or you don't, and if you are obsessing over cases, you clearly don't.
 
Adults, Grace. Adults, by skipping masks and vaccines, are shirking their burden.

I still don't get what the burden is...if you wear an n95 mask and you are vaccinated what are you worried about? You always skip out on answer the basics. Do you have an answer to that?
 
Adults, Grace. Adults, by skipping masks and vaccines, are shirking their burden.
What do vaxxes do now? They don't stop the spread. So no need for them in that aspect.

They still offer some protection to those at risk.

And then that leaves those that choose not to take the vax.

WHen you look at the above, there is no need to mandate masks or vaxxes.
 
So you can expend the effort to respond with the ad hominem but can't add a sentence or two for the basis for your opinion. Got it. Their are pros and cons to school vouchers. Studies have shown they provide positive benefits in educational improvement, although probably not as significantly as many of us would like. I'm pro-choice in all respects, something the left was until they decided they knew what's best for everyone.

Or when everyone realized school choice was being co-opted by billionaires (Kochs, etc) to privatize education.

There was a time when this country believed in a strong public education system. I guess we don't anymore -- and it shows. The problem isn't inherent to public schools, it's what we as a country deem important to invest in. God knows there's billion examples of corrupt charter schools.
 
Or when everyone realized school choice was being co-opted by billionaires (Kochs, etc) to privatize education.

There was a time when this country believed in a strong public education system. I guess we don't anymore -- and it shows. The problem isn't inherent to public schools, it's what we as a country deem important to invest in. God knows there's billion examples of corrupt charter schools.
Link? Or, it appears I should ask, a billion links?
 
Teachers do not have a mandatory vaccine requirement ( at least in my district) the ones who are not vaccinated have to get tested a certain number of times per week
I think LA is different, but not sure. I drove up to North Hollywood to meet up with my life coach. First off, wow!!! The homeless and their tenst on Olympic Blvd in North Hollywood was crazy to see with my eyes. I felt sad for everyone involved. Everyone is wearing a mask. My wife went into a eat place and she was chased down to wear a mask. No mask, no food. The fear is everywhere. I drove to Beverly Hills after and I saw homeless as well. I gave some change and told my wife this place is not the same. I feel for the oppresses. Hopelessness is written on the faces. I send love to LA 100%.
 
Link? Or, it appears I should ask, a billion links?

Link about what, corrupt charter schools? For real? Took two seconds to find this:


It goes on and on and on....
 
I think LA is different, but not sure. I drove up to North Hollywood to meet up with my life coach. First off, wow!!! The homeless and their tenst on Olympic Blvd in North Hollywood was crazy to see with my eyes. I felt sad for everyone involved. Everyone is wearing a mask. My wife went into a eat place and she was chased down to wear a mask. No mask, no food. The fear is everywhere. I drove to Beverly Hills after and I saw homeless as well. I gave some change and told my wife this place is not the same. I feel for the oppresses. Hopelessness is written on the faces. I send love to LA 100%.

I was at Silverlakes this weekend , stayed at a hotel .

The hotel was completely booked, and Id estimate 90% were there because of soccer. Id say the majority of the soccer people were from LA and San Diego. There we a lot of parents and teams hanging out in the lobby at night , and I actually chatted with some people who were from LA. Almost no one was wearing a mask .

I wonder if LA peeps feel a sense of freedom when they get out of the county, because I certainly didn't walk away from this weekend thinking that they were somehow more frightened of covid than other people or wouldn't they be wearing a mask?

We also played 2 LA teams this weekend, and I didn't see a single parent on their sidelines ( nor any players ) wearing mask.

Just something I noticed, because my perception was that mask compliance was extremely high for people who reside in LA.
 
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