Vaccine

[what-happened]

I'll admit, I don't know and I don't care...or more explicitly I don't give an F about R's. I'll I need to know is what I'm seeing with my own eyes that its spreading quite easily among the vaccinated. Math equations don't change reality no matter how hard you try. Is it your opinion that vaccination mandates should be based on R values? What's your end game with R values?

R isn't even that important, it's based on too many assumptions. It's only really important to politicians, the media, and data driven peeps. R doesn't help to manage a pandemic. It makes for great charts though. I think someone even created a website where you could check out everyone's R rate.

R certainly doesn't drive treatment

 

[what-happened]

How about unvaccinated, tested positive, and visits restaurants unmasked?

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Looks pretty healthy, no one at the table looks scared. Besides, she has immunity and the others at her table in the restaurants I presume are vaccinated? What's the big deal?

 

[EvilGoalie 21]

Really?

How is it “obvious” that vaccinated people are a significant source of omicron transmission?

There is an alternate possibility- that omicron is spreading primarily among the unvaccinated, and from the unvaccinated to the vaccinated. I don’t see how you dismiss that hypothesis without quite a bit of work.

this is especially true since there is no correlation between being PCR positive and infectious viral titers.

 

[baldref]

I'll admit, I don't know and I don't care...or more explicitly I don't give an F about R's. I'll I need to know is what I'm seeing with my own eyes that its spreading quite easily among the vaccinated. Math equations don't change reality no matter how hard you try. Is it your opinion that vaccination mandates should be based on R values? What's your end game with R values?

again. Reality

 

[watfly]

Vilify?

If you are unvaccinated and choose to take other precautions, you have my respect. I have no problem with someone who declines the vax but wears a mask and chooses to spend their time outside. Not the path I picked, but certainly a path which respects the health of those around you.

If you are unvaccinated and insist on visiting bars, restaurants, gyms, and other high risk places, then that is a different question.

I don't have a problem with the ____________________, as long as they don't go out in public.

a. unvaccinated
b. blacks
c. gays
d. all of the above

See how that sounds (and no I'm not accusing you of being racist or a homophope)? You seem to equate the unvaccinated with the infected, when they're two completely separate things. You assume the unvaccinated are lesser than the vaccinated. That's prejudice.

 

[watfly]

again. Reality

Speaking of reality, how are you feeling?

 

[soccersc]

Vilify?

If you are unvaccinated and choose to take other precautions, you have my respect. I have no problem with someone who declines the vax but wears a mask and chooses to spend their time outside. Not the path I picked, but certainly a path which respects the health of those around you.

If you are unvaccinated and insist on visiting bars, restaurants, gyms, and other high risk places, then that is a different question.

You really believe it's still about the unvaccinated, unbelievable. We have already established most testing sites never ask if you are vaccinated, testing sites are being sued and investigated in multiple states, how many with minimal symptoms even went to get tested when testing sites had 4 hour waits? So how accurate can the number really be? Just look around, how many of your vaxxed friends got covid? It is spreading to everyone, everyone, you can't recognize that???? No way it's 80/20

Watch this, an attorney defending whistle blowers from the department of defense...especially the last 45 seconds it talks.
Another serious question...you think they are making up these numbers? or are just the numbers you see the most accurate? Because, undoubtedly the government, who supports and is pushing everyone to get vaccinated would share the truth....lol

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/096/729/930/original/6172961f4e73ba9d.mp4

 

[baldref]

Speaking of reality, how are you feeling?

Still have the fatigue, but it's getting better. Done my ten days in purgatory, so next week it's back to the grind.

thanks

 

[Soccermaverick]

YeP

https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/serf8g

 

[watfly]

Still have the fatigue, but it's getting better. Done my ten days in purgatory, so next week it's back to the grind.

thanks

Sounds like a pretty common story with the lingering fatigue, hopefully that disappears soon.

 

[espola]

Is there any other way to visit a restaurant other than unmasked? It would seem that it makes it difficult to eat and drink with a mask on. Even Newsom wasn't able to do that, although he hadn't recently tested positive.

Masked at the entrance, unmasked to eat or drink.

 

[Soccermaverick]

https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/seuy2p

 

[espola]

Looks pretty healthy, no one at the table looks scared. Besides, she has immunity and the others at her table in the restaurants I presume are vaccinated? What's the big deal?

Hypocrisy.

 

[baldref]

Sounds like a pretty common story with the lingering fatigue, hopefully that disappears soon.

I have extended family in the Netherlands. Exact same story. Medium sized village, 99% vaxed and boostered. It's tearing through the village. Same exact symptoms and they're all saying the fatigue lingers. But no one got "really sick".

 

[espola]

I don't have a problem with the ____________________, as long as they don't go out in public.

a. unvaccinated
b. blacks
c. gays
d. all of the above

See how that sounds (and no I'm not accusing you of being racist or a homophope)? You seem to equate the unvaccinated with the infected, when they're two completely separate things. You assume the unvaccinated are lesser than the vaccinated. That's prejudice.

There are sound reasons for choosing a. What would be the reasons for the other selections?

 

[dad4]

I don't have a problem with the ____________________, as long as they don't go out in public.

a. unvaccinated
b. blacks
c. gays
d. all of the above

See how that sounds (and no I'm not accusing you of being racist or a homophope)? You seem to equate the unvaccinated with the infected, when they're two completely separate things. You assume the unvaccinated are lesser than the vaccinated. That's prejudice.

I’ve spent most of two years on the assumption that I should limit my activities because I might be able to infect others. If restricting activity means I am prejudiced, then I am also prejudiced against me.

 

[Soccermaverick]

You do

I don't have a problem with the ____________________, as long as they don't go out in public.

a. unvaccinated
b. blacks
c. gays
d. all of the above

See how that sounds (and no I'm not accusing you of being racist or a homophope)? You seem to equate the unvaccinated with the infected, when they're two completely separate things. You assume the unvaccinated are lesser than the vaccinated. That's prejudice.

Some don’t have what it takes or the courage to get vaccinated

 

[Ellejustus]

So let me ask you this...if the vaccinated can still spread the virus and represent half the cases, why do you still think its appropriate to discriminate against and vilify the unvaccinated?

I was thinking the same thing. This has to be about something else bro.

 

[N00B]

I’ve spent most of two years on the assumption that I should limit my activities because I might be able to infect others. If restricting activity means I am prejudiced, then I am also prejudiced against me.

I wouldn’t expect you to have a problem with your own choices. Most people function that way.

 

[Grace T.]

You really believe it's still about the unvaccinated, unbelievable. We have already established most testing sites never ask if you are vaccinated, testing sites are being sued and investigated in multiple states, how many with minimal symptoms even went to get tested when testing sites had 4 hour waits? So how accurate can the number really be? Just look around, how many of your vaxxed friends got covid? It is spreading to everyone, everyone, you can't recognize that???? No way it's 80/20

Watch this, an attorney defending whistle blowers from the department of defense...especially the last 45 seconds it talks.
Another serious question...you think they are making up these numbers? or are just the numbers you see the most accurate? Because, undoubtedly the government, who supports and is pushing everyone to get vaccinated would share the truth....lol

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/096/729/930/original/6172961f4e73ba9d.mp4

I know of two superspreader events personally that were caused by fully vaxxed people. The first was with the Delta and I've written about it before. Family of ten people at a BBQ...the 3 with natural immunity didn't fall ill. The remainder were all fully vaxxed, some boosted, and almost all got it...all mild except an older fully vaxxed individual (and that one never went critical). Spread outside despite that all except the 3 with natural immunity were wearing masks. 2/3 naturally immune were also fully double vaxxed.

Second was a wedding with about 100 people in attendance with a coworker. Everyone at least attested they were fully vaxxed (hosts didn't check vaccine cards but required everyone on the RSVP to attest they were fully vaxxed (J&J not accepted unless boosted)). All the staff were also required to be vaxxed and supposedly checked by the vendor. Possible an unvaxxed person slipped in despite the firewall, but patient zero was believed to be a double vaxxed individual who started feeling unwell towards the end of the reception and tested positive the next day. A little north than fifty percent of the wedding (including the entire wedding party) came down with COVID. Wedding was outside, reception was indoors.

And then there's the Neatherlands Christmas Party superspreader event. It was confirmed to be an Omicron event where 70 percent of the party attendees and sixty guests and the same restaurant came down with omicron. Because omicron is not in widespread circulation in Europe at that time, it is believed that the patient zero was an individual returning from South Africa.