I really shouldn't have to explain why school vouchers are a bad idea, but why don't you start here: https://lmgtfy.app/?q=why+are+school+vouchers+bad
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I really shouldn't have to explain why school vouchers are a bad idea, but why don't you start here: https://lmgtfy.app/?q=why+are+school+vouchers+bad
HAHA...@dad4 is, as the kids would say, is AFK, he is running out of data and any sort of support for his rash thinking. He is like so many in office that just can't admit they were wrong, he's so entrenched in his way of thinking, he can't dig his way out. @dad4 science has always changed throughout history, the science has changed here, don't be a flat earther
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GOLD
Within the context of implementing public health policy, child mask wearing has the least impact. Imagine if we spent as much energy into getting seniors boosted.
It's a joke that we've done so much hand wringing over masks in schools (and healthy ulittle covid vaccination). Unfortunately fear and control is a thing... Mabye some people get a kick of being scared.
I was thinking the same thing…
Weird. When I do that the top responses are from websites that have progressive in the name. In fact top was from "progressive.org". When I Google search "why are school vouchers good" I get a variety of sources including independent educational websites. Since you're not willing to articulate your position but just instead unleash the "dumb" ad hominem it leads me to believe you are punch drunk on the blue kool-aid.
It seems BTW California and NY plan to do the exact opposite.....
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you crack me up. so only fat teachers teach STEM? Back to eradication?
Besides, just boost away, no reason for healthy children to be vaccinated. But wait, even vaccinated children can transmit. So....we have a classroom of healthy children that have to be masked to protect a double jabbed and boosted overweight educator? Yea, that sounds about right. The murica we all want to live in.
This thread just needs to die. Science and logic has left the building, especially for those who are house bound.
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which masks work again?
For someone who accuses me of having no data, you didn’t put much data in your post.
Some data for you. Unvaccinated people near me are testing positive at six times the rate of the vaccinated.
If you multiply it out, the 15% of people who are not vaccinated are responsible for over 50% of all transmission. (For SCC)
Ok. Your turn. Do you have any real data, or just trash talk?
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But if you are vaxxed and boosted, still point fingers at the kids? Who don't need to be vaxxed?
what are we protecting from anymore? Isn't it great how public health directives mean absolutely nothing anymore. Just people diggin in, grasping on to old data to justify something..or maybe holding on to power..or maybe to help quell their fear?
Nah, minds aren't being changed in this forum....not going to bother. This is a beast of a topic that deserves its own off topic thread. But at least you clicked on the link -- perhaps you even read something. Baby steps.
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absolutely, if worn correctly. It's challenge for professionals to wear them correctly for long periods of time - won't work for our children. If teachers and others are fearful, they can wear them.
So you can expend the effort to respond with the ad hominem but can't add a sentence or two for the basis for your opinion. Got it. Their are pros and cons to school vouchers. Studies have shown they provide positive benefits in educational improvement, although probably not as significantly as many of us would like. I'm pro-choice in all respects, something the left was until they decided they knew what's best for everyone.
Studies?
Where do you get the idea that a poorly fitted N95 mask is equivalent to no mask?
I understand that it is an appealing argument. After all, it absolves you of all responsibility. You get to go maskless because you haven’t had the special training.
But it is also completely full of shit, logically. We can do a web search for papers on the effectiveness of N95 masks when worn without training. We both know the papers won’t say “same as no mask.”
For someone who accuses me of having no data, you didn’t put much data in your post.
Some data for you. Unvaccinated people near me are testing positive at six times the rate of the vaccinated.
If you multiply it out, the 15% of people who are not vaccinated are responsible for over 50% of all transmission. (For SCC)
Ok. Your turn. Do you have any real data, or just trash talk?
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." - Mark Twain
You can try to spin the numbers however you want, it doesn't change reality. If 50% of the transmission comes from 15% of the people than how many people are obese since they account for 110% of those hospitalized and 50% of the cases? You can manipulate the numbers however you like, but that doesn't make it truth. More importantly, how accurate is the case count actually? The third testing company is being sued this week for falsifying test and not marking the test with proper names.
Back to the numbers...how you can definitively say that the vaccinated didn't spread it at a given rate if people don't know exactly when or how they contracted the virus?
Reality is in front of you, don't hide behind the numbers when it is clear what is going on
COVID Testing Company Faked or Delayed Results, Lawsuit Says
An Illinois-based COVID-19 testing company with at least 13 testing sites in Washington state faked or delayed results, lied to patients, and failed to store test samples properly, according to a lawsuit filed Monday by Washington state Attorney General Bob Ferguson.
www.webmd.com
You know as well as I do that N95s aren't recommended for children and many of the KN95s in children's sizes are counterfeit.
And again, what are we trying to protect here? If the teacher is worried the teacher can wear the N95 and the teacher can get vaxxed.
p.s. it never fails but every time you get backed into a corner you always lash out....
Desert Hound
DA
Some thoughts.....about the sudden changes...regarding masks, lockdowns, restrictions, etc.
How convenient. The science has changed on the incandescently unpopular policy to which lefty politicians and technocrats have been ideologically clinging, just as voter sentiment was hardening in the runup to a national election. Sometimes in politics you just get lucky!
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It's a simple, basic point -- so basic that even Bill Maher has tumbled on to it.
Whenever these guys are caught being wrong, for the hundredth time, they claim, "Well, science is an inexact science, you know. Science changes and we learn more."
They say that retrospectively, looking backwards, to explain away their errors.
But what do they say in the moment? In the all-important vital present?
In the present, in the Fierce Urgency of Now -- when we could, hypothetically, debate and change policies -- they insist that the science is absolutely settled and foolproof and beyond any question or quibble.
Futhermore, they literally organize smear campaigns with their leftwing media allies to brand anyone disagreeing with the unchangeable and eternal One True Science as "fringe" "conspiracy theorists" spreading baseless "dangerous disinformation."
This "dangerous disinformation" is accused of being of such a profoundly false and wholly baseless nature that it must not only be denounced as if it were blasphemy but driven from the public debate by authoritarian means such as censorship, deplatforming, and imposing professional penalties against those who speak these heresies.
And then a year later they go, "Oh well sure, we got another one wrong, but science is more art than science, yannow?"
So when you ask questions or dispute them, they brand you a conspiracy theorist and lobby media monopolists to censor you as spreading "disinformation."
Then when it turns out they were wrong -- again -- they just shrug and say, "Oh science is always changing and we're always learning more and we're often wrong. Everyone knows that. What, did you think it was magic where we could guarantee success??!!"
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How convenient. The science has changed on the incandescently unpopular policy to which lefty politicians and technocrats have been ideologically clinging, just as voter sentiment was hardening in the runup to a national election. Sometimes in politics you just get lucky!
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It's a simple, basic point -- so basic that even Bill Maher has tumbled on to it.
Whenever these guys are caught being wrong, for the hundredth time, they claim, "Well, science is an inexact science, you know. Science changes and we learn more."
They say that retrospectively, looking backwards, to explain away their errors.
But what do they say in the moment? In the all-important vital present?
In the present, in the Fierce Urgency of Now -- when we could, hypothetically, debate and change policies -- they insist that the science is absolutely settled and foolproof and beyond any question or quibble.
Futhermore, they literally organize smear campaigns with their leftwing media allies to brand anyone disagreeing with the unchangeable and eternal One True Science as "fringe" "conspiracy theorists" spreading baseless "dangerous disinformation."
This "dangerous disinformation" is accused of being of such a profoundly false and wholly baseless nature that it must not only be denounced as if it were blasphemy but driven from the public debate by authoritarian means such as censorship, deplatforming, and imposing professional penalties against those who speak these heresies.
And then a year later they go, "Oh well sure, we got another one wrong, but science is more art than science, yannow?"
So when you ask questions or dispute them, they brand you a conspiracy theorist and lobby media monopolists to censor you as spreading "disinformation."
Then when it turns out they were wrong -- again -- they just shrug and say, "Oh science is always changing and we're always learning more and we're often wrong. Everyone knows that. What, did you think it was magic where we could guarantee success??!!"
You've been along here long enough to know how it works. They are on the side of truth and justice, their arguments are selfevident, so when they respond with things like "completely full of shit, logically" they are just putting us in their place. But God help us if we call their arguments or policies authoritarian and suddenly our arguments are completely without merit because we have to resort to ads.
Adults, Grace. Adults, by skipping masks and vaccines, are shirking their burden.