Vaccine

[soccersc]

I think mask restrictions in CA will be done by May 01, and will come back with the next variant- if one manages to grow here.

Masks work just fine if you wear them. Mask mandates that you ignore every time you have friends over? That doesn’t work so well.

Even CNN is starting to realize mask aren't needed. @dad4 you are still holding the line...thata boy

CNN medical analyst supports Democrat-led states dropping school mask mandates: 'The science has changed'

CNN medical analyst Dr. Leana Wen appeared to change her tune on the implementation of government imposed coronavirus restrictions, contrasting her previous support for restrictions that many felt were unnecessary or excessive.

www.foxnews.com

 

[dad4]

So we put the burden on children and not adults...thats just fucked up...no two ways about.

We agree it is f’ed up. We just don’t agree what it would mean for adults to step up and shoulder their burden.

I don’t see how an unmasked or unvaccinated adult has any right to point fingers about the burdens on kids. There is something they could to to take part of that burden, and they are not doing it.

 

[NorCalDad]

I can solve all public teachers concerns around safety with one simple solution. Provide parents with school choice vouchers giving them the freedom to pick the best education pathway for their children. Before you know it the need for public school, public school teachers and their unions will be non-existent. Now public school teachers who feel so much risk to face a child without a mask can find a new calling and those who want to continue work in education can with a private institution. My guess is if parents had a choice and given back their tax dollars to spend on the best education for their children they wouldn’t pick a public school that barely meets standards of learning and shrouds every subject in race.

Just when I thought this thread couldn't get any dumber....

 

[espola]

I can solve all public teachers concerns around safety with one simple solution. Provide parents with school choice vouchers giving them the freedom to pick the best education pathway for their children. Before you know it the need for public school, public school teachers and their unions will be non-existent. Now public school teachers who feel so much risk to face a child without a mask can find a new calling and those who want to continue work in education can with a private institution. My guess is if parents had a choice and given back their tax dollars to spend on the best education for their children they wouldn’t pick a public school that barely meets standards of learning and shrouds every subject in race.

Race? You mean like they teach math with those Arabic numerals and Hindu zero?

 

[watfly]

Just when I thought this thread couldn't get any dumber....

What's dumb about it? Hyperbolic maybe, but not dumb. I'm 100% in favor of school vouchers. My kids went to an elementary school in SDUSD, it was a magnet school (for PE of all things) so kids could choice in. So many kids choiced in from shitty schools that the district board member from the shitty schools complained and got our schools magnet taken away. So instead of stepping up and fixing their shitty schools they punished our school. That's our California public schools system.

 

[Grace T.]

We agree it is f’ed up. We just don’t agree what it would mean for adults to step up and shoulder their burden.

I don’t see how an unmasked or unvaccinated adult has any right to point fingers about the burdens on kids. There is something they could to to take part of that burden, and they are not doing it.

What burden is it exactly they need to take on? The teachers have been offered vaccines and boosters. So have the parents. Do you believe in vaccination? What's the issue? Why are we punishing kids for adults who refuse to protect themselves (excluding of course those who already have natural immunity)? Or are you still clinging to zero covid?

 

[watfly]

We agree it is f’ed up. We just don’t agree what it would mean for adults to step up and shoulder their burden.

I don’t see how an unmasked or unvaccinated adult has any right to point fingers about the burdens on kids. There is something they could to to take part of that burden, and they are not doing it.

Fascinating rationalization.

 

[NorCalDad]

What's dumb about it? Hyperbolic maybe, but not dumb. I'm 100% in favor of school vouchers. My kids went to an elementary school in SDUSD, it was a magnet school (for PE of all things) so kids could choice in. So many kids choiced in from shitty schools that the district board member from the shitty schools complained and got our schools magnet taken away. So instead of stepping up and fixing their shitty schools they punished our school. That's our California public schools system.

I really shouldn't have to explain why school vouchers are a bad idea, but why don't you start here: https://lmgtfy.app/?q=why+are+school+vouchers+bad

 

[soccersc]

What burden is it exactly they need to take on? The teachers have been offered vaccines and boosters. So have the parents. Do you believe in vaccination? What's the issue? Why are we punishing kids for adults who refuse to protect themselves (excluding of course those who already have natural immunity)? Or are you still clinging to zero covid?

HAHA...@dad4 is, as the kids would say, is AFK, he is running out of data and any sort of support for his rash thinking. He is like so many in office that just can't admit they were wrong, he's so entrenched in his way of thinking, he can't dig his way out. @dad4 science has always changed throughout history, the science has changed here, don't be a flat earther

 

[what-happened]

I really couldn't care less about the adult indoor mask mandate although it's completely frivolous. Come talk to me when children don't have to wear masks in school. I'm not going to sugarcoat it, anyone who thinks children should be wearing masks at school is a stone cold f'ing idiot.

Children don't vote, but their parents do. We've seen the left's true colors during the pandemic. I hope they get completely smoked at midterms. I'm not normally a vengeful person but what most Dem's have done to children is completely inexcusable and I hope they get taken to the woodshed in November.

Within the context of implementing public health policy, child mask wearing has the least impact. Imagine if we spent as much energy into getting seniors boosted.

It's a joke that we've done so much hand wringing over masks in schools (and healthy ulittle covid vaccination). Unfortunately fear and control is a thing... Mabye some people get a kick of being scared.

 

[dad4]

Fascinating rationalization.

I was thinking the same thing…

 

[watfly]

I really shouldn't have to explain why school vouchers are a bad idea, but why don't you start here: https://lmgtfy.app/?q=why+are+school+vouchers+bad

Weird. When I do that the top responses are from websites that have progressive in the name. In fact top was from "progressive.org". When I Google search "why are school vouchers good" I get a variety of sources including independent educational websites. Since you're not willing to articulate your position but just instead unleash the "dumb" ad hominem it leads me to believe you are punch drunk on the blue kool-aid.

 

[Grace T.]

What burden is it exactly they need to take on? The teachers have been offered vaccines and boosters. So have the parents. Do you believe in vaccination? What's the issue? Why are we punishing kids for adults who refuse to protect themselves (excluding of course those who already have natural immunity)? Or are you still clinging to zero covid?

It seems BTW California and NY plan to do the exact opposite.....

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1491165243669901312

 

[what-happened]

Sure. Because the vaccine is not 100% effective. Vaccinated and boosted is more like 85% effective. The other 15% matters.

Like it or not, a lot of teachers are middle aged and overweight. They have a good reason to want to avoid covid.

And, if you want to get rid of all the fat teachers, be prepared to say goodbye to upper division STEM courses for your kid. The 58 year old spherical physics teacher may be the only one left who can teach the AP.

you crack me up. so only fat teachers teach STEM? Back to eradication?

Besides, just boost away, no reason for healthy children to be vaccinated. But wait, even vaccinated children can transmit. So....we have a classroom of healthy children that have to be masked to protect a double jabbed and boosted overweight educator? Yea, that sounds about right. The murica we all want to live in.

This thread just needs to die. Science and logic has left the building, especially for those who are house bound.

 

[what-happened]

I think mask restrictions in CA will be done by May 01, and will come back with the next variant- if one manages to grow here.

Masks work just fine if you wear them. Mask mandates that you ignore every time you have friends over? That doesn’t work so well.

which masks work again?

 

[dad4]

HAHA...@dad4 is, as the kids would say, is AFK, he is running out of data and any sort of support for his rash thinking. He is like so many in office that just can't admit they were wrong, he's so entrenched in his way of thinking, he can't dig his way out. @dad4 science has always changed throughout history, the science has changed here, don't be a flat earther

For someone who accuses me of having no data, you didn’t put much data in your post.

Some data for you. Unvaccinated people near me are testing positive at six times the rate of the vaccinated.

COVID-19 Case Rates by Vaccination Status - Emergency Operations Center - County of Santa Clara

covid19.sccgov.org

If you multiply it out, the 15% of people who are not vaccinated are responsible for over 50% of all transmission. (For SCC)

Ok. Your turn. Do you have any real data, or just trash talk?

 

[what-happened]

We agree it is f’ed up. We just don’t agree what it would mean for adults to step up and shoulder their burden.

I don’t see how an unmasked or unvaccinated adult has any right to point fingers about the burdens on kids. There is something they could to to take part of that burden, and they are not doing it.

But if you are vaxxed and boosted, still point fingers at the kids? Who don't need to be vaxxed?

what are we protecting from anymore? Isn't it great how public health directives mean absolutely nothing anymore. Just people diggin in, grasping on to old data to justify something..or maybe holding on to power..or maybe to help quell their fear?

 

[dad4]

which masks work again?

N95.

 

[NorCalDad]

Weird. When I do that the top responses are from websites that have progressive in the name. In fact top was from "progressive.org". When I Google search "why are school vouchers good" I get a variety of sources including independent educational websites. Since you're not willing to articulate your position but just instead unleash the "dumb" ad hominem it leads me to believe you are punch drunk on the blue kool-aid.

Nah, minds aren't being changed in this forum....not going to bother. This is a beast of a topic that deserves its own off topic thread. But at least you clicked on the link -- perhaps you even read something. Baby steps.

 

[what-happened]

N95.

absolutely, if worn correctly. It's challenge for professionals to wear them correctly for long periods of time - won't work for our children. If teachers and others are fearful, they can wear them.