Vaccine

"Highly effective" is the new marketing term. "Suggestive effective" "Might be harmful." This is bullshit and I will be shocked if my fence sitter friends will stay on the fence. We are ALL getting played with our lives.
 
The authors and I both know the difference between “proven false” and “unproven”.

This is a case of unproven. Grace was trying to make it sound like “proven false”, but got tripped up on her middle school math.

Hah the subtle insult again from the guy always decrying the ads. You are such a hypocrite.

In any case, you've been given 2 years to prove your theories. The best so far is a flawed Bangladesh study that didn't even shown any benefit to cloth masks.

Next!
 
You're thinking is still 3 dimensional. You are playing 2d chess when what is required is 3 because you are always neglecting the factor of time. The peak, time to peak, and area under the curve does not matter at all. We've divorced death and hospitalization from cases thanks to the vaccine (yeah, I know it's no perfect. It would be better if the old people got their boosters). Hospitals are not in danger of collapse. Staffing problems are in huge part due to our continued insane policies dedicated to COVID 0. The ONLY thing you are doing by interfering with an otherwise natural process is pushing things out to a future date and prolonging the emergency.

In April of 2020 I noted that the best analogy for all this is a forest fire. It's still the best analogy. The only thing you are doing is leaving a bunch of dry brush ready for another inferno to burn again

What we should be doing, given the radical impact on hospitalizations, is boosting the over sixty crowd. You want a mandate? Mandate it for that group instead of the group that least benefits from it (children) in the insane continuing pursuit of COVID 0

"Khan isn't used to thinking in 3 dimensions. While he might command a starship, he is not a starship captain"
We are talking about people, not dry brush.

And, if you insist on a forest fire analogy, you are suggesting we do an uncontrolled burn in mid summer with no spare fire suppression capacity.


ps- The whole 2 dim/3 dim thing is just you bragging. You might want to brush up on your percentages first. It sounds kind of lame when you tell me how awesome you are just after you messed up a middle school math problem.
 
Triple Vax and double masked Dr. W today in costume. You guys, this is not funny any more. My freedom has been stolen from folks like this, Dad, The Husler, EOTL and Espola. They did this because they hate t and his followers and those who might support one of t's agenda's. I'm for adoptions. I want more and more kids born and not used as experiments. This is nothing you guys. I don;t share any truths with most of you because you can;t handle the TRUTH. However, I bet that most of you have a heart and once the TRUTH comes out, you will puke and feel depressed and probably a little guilty for turning a blind eye to the TRUTH. The TRUTH hurts, that's why bad people run from the TRUTH and straight to darkness. Darkness was easy to find in the past but now no more. The light will expose everything. Emails and text is gold!!!!

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If there were studies that showed they actually worked, the news would be hammering it home all day long.
Not if you read "real journalists". Although, I am still waiting for @dad4 to identify them.

If there were studies that showed they actually worked, the news would be hammering it home all day long.

What we get time and time again is "inconclusive".

The reason?

Surgical masks were not and are not designed to stop respiratory viruses.

We have hundreds of millions of people using masks throughout the world over the past couple of years and yet we don't find conclusive studies showing surgical masks do anything to stop the spread.
The other reason is that while lab results appear to show at least some level of efficacy of masking - something many Covidians cling to - lab results don't account for human behavior in terms of both how masks are worn by the public and how behavior may be modified by being "masked" where the those who are masked interact more than they would if they weren't masked.

To me, it's very clear that the vaccine reduced the spread significantly. However, I am not convinced there was significant value to adding masks to distancing and meeting only in well-ventilated indoor areas. If saving people from dying was the goal, effort should have been put into a health and fitness campaign over a year and a half ago when we realized who was at risk beyond the elderly. This effort would not have been specific to COVID and also would have helped mitigate the emotional illnesses that have exploded since Covid.
 
We are talking about people, not dry brush.

And, if you insist on a forest fire analogy, you are suggesting we do an uncontrolled burn in mid summer with no spare fire suppression capacity.


ps- The whole 2 dim/3 dim thing is just you bragging. You might want to brush up on your percentages first. It sounds kind of lame when you tell me how awesome you are just after you messed up a middle school math problem.
1. you and I both know what I meant. You are being a bombastic prick (you've lost all right to complain about ads) for someone who has been shown to have a limited thought process, and you know it. I'm not trying to be mathematically precise (don't care...it's not important). It was a reduction of point six from the percentage rate of one to the other from two small starting numbers.

2. Doesn't cover up that your thinking is limiting. You've constantly overlooked that. Your thinking is constantly limited by only what you know and in the box thinking.

3. "We are talking about people" is the same thing as "think of the children" or "every life matters no matter what the cost". The sad reality is this is a pandemic and there are enormous costs on the other side of the scale. You can't just avoid doing a cost benefit analysis. Otherwise, for starters, we'd ban cars and swimming pools.

4. It's not middle summer (the omicron has us in late winter). We have fire suppression (the vaccines). And we don't have anything else on the horizon that will be deployed quick enough to help. Aren't you always the one saying the vaccines "work"???? Don't you believe your own propaganda.

and that's some pretty big cajones to deploy the the entire hospitalization argument when we already know the dam has broken on the with/from issue
 
Hah the subtle insult again from the guy always decrying the ads. You are such a hypocrite.

In any case, you've been given 2 years to prove your theories. The best so far is a flawed Bangladesh study that didn't even shown any benefit to cloth masks.

Next!
The ad, in this case, is unarguable. Your take on the UK study was completely wrong, and it was wrong because of a middle school math error.

Now stop patting yourself on the back and boasting about how awesome you are. It just reminds me of 6th grade boys talking big as they hide their tests under their binders.
 
The ad, in this case, is unarguable. Your take on the UK study was completely wrong, and it was wrong because of a middle school math error.

Now stop patting yourself on the back and boasting about how awesome you are. It just reminds me of 6th grade boys talking big as they hide their tests under their binders.
Dad, come on man. I want you to cross over to the side of the TRUTH. Honestly and I mean this, and please answer this question(s) with honesty. I love it when people give it to me straight. Here are my curiosity questions floating in my little brain.

Q- Did you watch the hearing today?

Q- On a scale of 1-10, how good are you at reading people when they lie?

Q- If you ctach a person in a lie, do you confront on the spot or hold it in?

Q- Have you ever been a part of a deposition where one swears on the good book, on video, and swears before everyone that they will tell the WHOLE TRUTH and nothing but the WHOLE TRUTH, so help you God ((or little god, whichever God(s) you choose))?

Q- Where do you see Math in the next two years?

Q- True or False. Three highly regarded Docs from Oxford, Stanford and Harvard disagree 100% with Dr. Fauci and think he is wrong in so many areas of this pandemic and for that, they have been made out to be nut jobs
 
The ad, in this case, is unarguable. Your take on the UK study was completely wrong, and it was wrong because of a middle school math error.

Now stop patting yourself on the back and boasting about how awesome you are. It just reminds me of 6th grade boys talking big as they hide their tests under their binders.

Of course it would from your perspective. But what's really happening is that the sixth grade boys are sitting there making fun of their teacher for being all too enthusiastic of a particular subject matter, expecting them to be, and laughing about what's become of this strange person's life (hoping they won't ever end up like him). We're into some real Rashomon level stuff now.
 
Not 0.6 percent. 0.6 percentage point. Out of a total of 3.6 percentage points.

That is a 16.7 percent change in absences. Not too shabby.
Well, it is a 0.6 percent change in attendance, right? I suggest that to avoid confusion when presenting to the general public, it is best to use that instead of a percent of a percent since the size of basis is unambiguous - all students. The smaller the basis the more prone it is to making noise appear significant. In the extreme, consider two classes of 100 students where 1 student is absent from one class and 2 from the other. The difference in attendance is 1% while the difference in absences is 100%.
 
Triple Vax and double masked Dr. W today in costume. You guys, this is not funny any more. My freedom has been stolen from folks like this, Dad, The Husler, EOTL and Espola. They did this because they hate t and his followers and those who might support one of t's agenda's. I'm for adoptions. I want more and more kids born and not used as experiments. This is nothing you guys. I don;t share any truths with most of you because you can;t handle the TRUTH. However, I bet that most of you have a heart and once the TRUTH comes out, you will puke and feel depressed and probably a little guilty for turning a blind eye to the TRUTH. The TRUTH hurts, that's why bad people run from the TRUTH and straight to darkness. Darkness was easy to find in the past but now no more. The light will expose everything. Emails and text is gold!!!!

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Yup, we stole your freedom. We and a cabal of youth soccer DOCs took everything from you.
 
Some actual sanity. About freaking time.

Some actual sanity. About freaking time.

all this does is buy the athletes 90 days. After the 90 days starts all over.
 
Yup, we stole your freedom. We and a cabal of youth soccer DOCs took everything from you.
That was satire dummy. We were all born into slavery. You, me, Kicker 2.0, Espola and the rest of the best. It was only one Doc that just lied through his teeth and spoke lie all day and night and all the time about this and that and had so much oil to rub on the rich dad's backs that rich dad got what he paid for. Sicko Golden Gate. Life has brought you to the sewer. Welcome aboard brah!!! No life is better then anyone else's life. Dr. Fraud is the biggest liar ever and don;t forget that.
 
In the extreme, consider two classes of 100 students where 1 student is absent from one class and 2 from the other. The difference in attendance is 1% while the difference in absences is 100%.
And per usual that is the problem with dad as to how he frames it.

The study which the authors said was inconclusive said essentially. If one school had 100 students 3 might be out if masks were worn. If the other school with 100 didn't have students it would be 3.6 students out...or to round up 4.

And as they looked at those numbers said it has inconclusive as to if masks actually make a difference.

And as stated many times. If masks actually made a difference we would have numerous studies showing that to be the case. 2 yrs into this we do not.That is VERY TELLING.

Combine that with the fact that prior to the politicization of masks, the CDC and other entities all were very clear surgical masks are not designed to protect someone against a respiratory virus. Those masks were simply not designed do to that kind of work.
 
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