Vaccine

Some food for thought as we think back on the useless restrictions placed on us.

Covid deaths in nursing homes amount on average to a staggering 40% of all Covid deaths in Western countries, despite representing less than 1% of the population.
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And yet we created policies affected the public as a whole despite the info above.

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Yet soon into the pandemic, it became clear that Covid-19 was almost exclusively a threat to the elderly (60+): in the last quarter of 2020, the mean age of those dying both with and of Covid-19 in the UK was 82.4,

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Meanwhile in the US, the end of 2021 confirmed the reality that lockdown strategies had little or no impact on Covid mortality. The two neighbouring states of Michigan and Wisconsin followed very different Covid policies, with Michigan favouring severe restrictions while Wisconsin lifted them much earlier; yet at the start of this month, Michigan’s Covid mortality rate was far higher than Wisconsin’s, at 2,906 deaths per million compared to 1,919 per million in Wisconsin. Another stark example comes from comparing two other neighbouring states: North and South Dakota. South Dakota infamously imposed no Covid restrictions, while there were mask mandates in North Dakota during the second wave in Winter 2020/2021: yet as of January 1st 2022, the two states’ death rates are very similar, at 2,810 per million (South Dakota) and 2,640 (North Dakota).

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As Piero Stanig and Gianmarco Daniele, two professors at Bocconi University, explain in their book Fallimento lockdown (“Lockdown Failure”), the worst possible thing you can do when dealing with a highly infectious disease that spreads almost exclusively indoors and targets the elderly is to lock old people up inside their homes with other family members, and ban citizens from spending time in arguably the safest place of all: outdoors. In other words, even from the narrow perspective of saving lives, not only were lockdowns not in the collective interest of society, they weren’t even in the interest of those whose lives were actually at risk.

unherd.com

Has the Great Barrington Declaration been vindicated?

Lockdowns failed to serve the collective good
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dad4 said:
No, that’s not what they are saying.

But glad to hear you’re going to start wearing your N95.
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That is exactly what they are saying. If surgical masks actually worked, they would not have moved their recommendation to N95s.

Note their CDC guidance from 2018. And to date there really are not any studies that suddenly found wow surgical masks work. They were never designed for respiratory viruses. Politicians of course had to "do something" so suddenly they became mandated. And despite decades of research showing they are not designed for respiratory viruses people started wearing them religiously.

Now you don't like to admit it, but indeed you have by your actions admitted surgical masks don't work. You long ago realized they don't work and opted for n95s.

Myself? I am not wearing an N95.

I long ago moved on and started living a normal life.

If a place requires them, I put on a mask despite knowing it is safety theater.

The only masks that work are the n95s (and of course the higher level ones). The problem witn N95s is that even medical personal have to be trained to use them properly. That of course means that the vast majority of the public wearing them are wearing them incorrectly.

Further? They are designed for short periods of time. Not a couple of hours or more.

And finally as part of the process they need to be fit tested.

What does that mean? It means that these masks will not stop the spread of the virus either.
 
Hey Norm, it's official. No going back to normal. Based on what Dr. F and Dr. W just said, more curve balls, more waves and surges with new variants will be hitting us all forever. Boostered forever you guys. Look, if this is the life you choose, I will step away and allow you your freedom to choose injections in your arms. Plus, wear two mask to be safe and stay home with a mask on. No hugs, only when your team scores a TD....lol!!! They want to booster the kids for some reason. Father Fraud thinks the best thing to do is inject yourself and your children every 5 months.

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dad4 said:
I think evil goalie found it.

Mostly, I was trying to find an analogy to explain how weak individual protection can add up to a meaningful community-wide effect. The 20 week pfizer booster is 50%, but that is just a coincidence. Nothing in the thought experiment requires that all the coins be fair.
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Yes, they do. I'll take you back to your R1 point you always talk about. Otherwise, the only thing you are doing is delaying things. I'll give you a real world example: chicken pox pre vaccine. You would have outbreaks where 1/2 the class would come down with it. That wasn't enough, though, even with parents trying to infect their kids, to have another outbreak 1 year later among the remainder of the class, and that's with a stable virus that isn't highly mutatable or going zoonotic. I'm the perfect example of this. I caught chicken pox at age 20 despite both my siblings having had it in grade school and despite having gone through 3 class outbreaks. I wasn't around small children at the time and wasn't with any yet to be infected roommates or family members...yet the virus still eventually found me. The only thing you are accomplishing by slowing things down is pushing things into another wave. A virus this contagious will eventually find you.
 
Grace T. said:
The UK review of masks in schools found they didn't make much of difference/not statistically significant.

nypost.com

Study used to justify UK school mask rules fails to prove they work

The UK government announced this week that students in secondary school will have to wear face coverings.
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If there were studies that showed they actually worked, the news would be hammering it home all day long.

What we get time and time again is "inconclusive".

The reason?

Surgical masks were not and are not designed to stop respiratory viruses.

We have hundreds of millions of people using masks throughout the world over the past couple of years and yet we don't find conclusive studies showing surgical masks do anything to stop the spread.
 
Desert Hound said:
If there were studies that showed they actually worked, the news would be hammering it home all day long.

What we get time and time again is "inconclusive".

The reason?

Surgical masks were not and are not designed to stop respiratory viruses.

We have hundreds of millions of people using masks throughout the world over the past couple of years and yet we don't find conclusive studies showing surgical masks do anything to stop the spread.
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'Another take from the BBC. A point six percent change in absences.
www.bbc.com

Covid: Evidence on face masks in schools 'inconclusive'

Government admits uncertainty over whether face coverings will truly cut Covid spread.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
 
Grace T. said:
Yes, they do. I'll take you back to your R1 point you always talk about. Otherwise, the only thing you are doing is delaying things. I'll give you a real world example: chicken pox pre vaccine. You would have outbreaks where 1/2 the class would come down with it. That wasn't enough, though, even with parents trying to infect their kids, to have another outbreak 1 year later among the remainder of the class, and that's with a stable virus that isn't highly mutatable or going zoonotic. I'm the perfect example of this. I caught chicken pox at age 20 despite both my siblings having had it in grade school and despite having gone through 3 class outbreaks. I wasn't around small children at the time and wasn't with any yet to be infected roommates or family members...yet the virus still eventually found me. The only thing you are accomplishing by slowing things down is pushing things into another wave. A virus this contagious will eventually find you.
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When R changes, it changes the peak height, time to peak, and area under the curve. For anyone with staffing problems this month, all three of those are big problems.

R is a parameter in a system of differential equations. Why do you insist on telling me what it means? Your math topped out at calc, and calc is not enough to do the analysis you’re attempting.
 
Blame it in on the rain. Dr. Fraud just lies when he talks. 900,000 died "from" Covid. We need to see if this holds true. He keeps saying it.
 
dad4 said:
The authors and I both know the difference between “proven false” and “unproven”.

This is a case of unproven. Grace was trying to make it sound like “proven false”, but got tripped up on her middle school math.
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You and your pals have taken two years of kids lives and ruined so many small businesses. Karma is coming for everyone!!!
 
Desert Hound said:
If there were studies that showed they actually worked, the news would be hammering it home all day long.

What we get time and time again is "inconclusive".

The reason?

Surgical masks were not and are not designed to stop respiratory viruses.

We have hundreds of millions of people using masks throughout the world over the past couple of years and yet we don't find conclusive studies showing surgical masks do anything to stop the spread.
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Funny how we are back to square one for masks. To many, it's not a suprise. They've never worked, they are not designed to do what talking heads want them to do. N95s are impractical for society. If anything, masks really only stop you from transferring stuff you pick up from a surface to your mouth and nose. They are pretty effective at that. I think one study out of Austrailia demonstrated people touch their faces 23 times an hour. I'm sure the study was done pre SARS-COV-2 and no one really cared. But, from an altruistic point of view, given the cultural obsession with masks, wearing a masks makes some feel better.

These are the last gasps of a poorly messaged and executed public health campaign. Plenty of blame to go around. Nothing like politics to get in the way of saving people's lives. Nothing like a medical emergency to make a ton of money. Both can be true at the same time.

Besides, corona viruses have never been challenged with a feasable vaccine. This is a first. A good first effort, should be appluaded and the tools resulting from great scientific and medical efforts should be used to treat patients.
 
I just heard Dr. Fraud say the following under his breath, "What a moron. Jesus Christ!" after being questioned about his $434,312.00 Year gig+ kickbacks+ + +. Everyone, you're witnessing how not to lie. This guy is so defensive and wants to talk way too much. Too much talking ((especially under your breath with hot mic is stupid)) will only get you in trouble. This guy is so guilty. Using babies, beagle, monkeys, rats & bats and all in between to make one sic cocktail WTF everyone. Just watch this guy lie.....
 
dad4 said:
When R changes, it changes the peak height, time to peak, and area under the curve. For anyone with staffing problems this month, all three of those are big problems.

R is a parameter in a system of differential equations. Why do you insist on telling me what it means? Your math topped out at calc, and calc is not enough to do the analysis you’re attempting.
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You're thinking is still 3 dimensional. You are playing 2d chess when what is required is 3 because you are always neglecting the factor of time. The peak, time to peak, and area under the curve does not matter at all. We've divorced death and hospitalization from cases thanks to the vaccine (yeah, I know it's no perfect. It would be better if the old people got their boosters). Hospitals are not in danger of collapse. Staffing problems are in huge part due to our continued insane policies dedicated to COVID 0. The ONLY thing you are doing by interfering with an otherwise natural process is pushing things out to a future date and prolonging the emergency.

In April of 2020 I noted that the best analogy for all this is a forest fire. It's still the best analogy. The only thing you are doing is leaving a bunch of dry brush ready for another inferno to burn again

What we should be doing, given the radical impact on hospitalizations, is boosting the over sixty crowd. You want a mandate? Mandate it for that group instead of the group that least benefits from it (children) in the insane continuing pursuit of COVID 0

"Khan isn't used to thinking in 3 dimensions. While he might command a starship, he is not a starship captain"
 
Grace T. said:
You thinking is still 3 dimensional. You are playing 2d chess when what is required is 3 because you are always neglecting the factor of time. The peak, time to peak, and area under the curve does not matter at all. We've divorced death and hospitalization from cases thanks to the vaccine (yeah, I know it's no perfect. It would be better if the old people got their boosters). Hospitals are not in danger of collapse. Staffing problems are in huge part due to our continued insane policies dedicated to COVID 0. The ONLY thing you are doing by interfering with an otherwise natural process is pushing things out to a future date and prolonging the emergency.

In April of 2020 I noted that the best analogy for all this is a forest fire. It's still the best analogy. The only thing you are doing is leaving a bunch of dry brush ready for another inferno to burn again

What we should be doing, given the radical impact on hospitalizations, is boosting the over sixty crowd. You want a mandate? Mandate it for that group instead of the group that least benefits from it (children) in the insane continuing pursuit of COVID 0
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5D chess is now in session!!
 
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