Vaccine

kickingandscreaming said:
What is also becoming clear is the damage we are doing to child development and the mental health of everyone with the mandates. Your view is consistently myopic.
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Unvaccinated, unmasked adults go to high risk places like bars and restaurants. In the process, they cause more covid cases, hospitalizations, and deaths.

But, if I criticize them for it, somehow that damages child development?

You're using kids as an excuse for the bad behavior of adults.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Is it odd that only vaccinated individuals are considered in the % necessary for herd immunity and nothing is said about the population of individuals who are not vaccinated but survived COVID?
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The article includes this --

"In Manaus, Brazil, a large outbreak early in the pandemic caused scientists to conclude that nearly 70 percent of the population had been exposed and, after a lot of illness and death, the population had reached herd immunity."

Herd immunity in a population before there was a vaccine.
 
dad4 said:
Unvaccinated, unmasked adults go to high risk places like bars and restaurants. In the process, they cause more covid cases, hospitalizations, and deaths.

But, if I criticize them for it, somehow that damages child development?

You're using kids as an excuse for the bad behavior of adults.
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If I follow your logic, then you are using your fear as an excuse to support mandates that damage children.

No, I am telling you mandates have effects beyond COVID and you don't recognize them. Criticize away - just don't mandate behavior - especially among children who are not at risk but are obviously bearing the brunt of the mandates.
 
espola said:
The article includes this --

"In Manaus, Brazil, a large outbreak early in the pandemic caused scientists to conclude that nearly 70 percent of the population had been exposed and, after a lot of illness and death, the population had reached herd immunity."

Herd immunity in a population before there was a vaccine.
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Can you show me the place in the article where it describes the % vaccination AND previous exposure to reach herd immunity? It's misleading to give the herd immunity percent with just the vaccination rate.

Those places with lower vaccination rates certainly appear to have higher case rates - and I'd guess considerably higher than cases recorded as many in those areas will see no reason to get tested unless they need to go to the doctor. What is the incentive to get tested if you have mild symptoms? I'd bet many children already had COVID and were never tested as their symptoms were mild - especially in the vaccine-resistant areas. Again, what is the incentive to test?

I hope they are correct but I'm not holding my breath.
 
dad4 said:
Unvaccinated, unmasked adults go to high risk places like bars and restaurants. In the process, they cause more covid cases, hospitalizations, and deaths.
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That is always your fallback excuse.

This despite the vaxxed catch and transmit delta all over the place. This despite the fact omicron seems to not care much about vaxx status.

In other words the virus will spread either way.

Billions of people are not vaxxed and likely not going to get vaxxed.

Variants will continue to pop up and spread.

People are going to always socialize. You pretend they won't. Socialization takes place in what you call high risk places. People will always congregate.

At this point you should go to those places. Get your natural immunity on. We are seeing more and more studies showing natural immunity more robust and longer lasting.

Your solution of hiding and masks will not make this go away any faster, and in fact may slow the rate in which natural immunity builds up.

The overwhelming majority of people have no risk, which is why more and more people are going about their lives as normal.

If some is in the high risk category, get your vaxx on.

Team virus as you call us is growing. More and more people realize the gov intervention didn't help and know that they have little risk and are moving on.
 
dad4 said:
Unvaccinated, unmasked adults go to high risk places like bars and restaurants. In the process, they cause more covid cases, hospitalizations, and deaths.

But, if I criticize them for it, somehow that damages child development?

You're using kids as an excuse for the bad behavior of adults.
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I find it interesting that you describe normal human interaction as "bad behavior". I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you meant "risky". We take risks every day. At this point in the US, everyone has had the opportunity to assess their risk and act accordingly. To me, there's nothing I see that doesn't make me think it's time to move forward normally - bad behavior and all. I will be watching to see if that outlook should change but that's where I am now.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Can you show me the place in the article where it describes the % vaccination AND previous exposure to reach herd immunity? It's misleading to give the herd immunity percent with just the vaccination rate.

Those places with lower vaccination rates certainly appear to have higher case rates - and I'd guess considerably higher than cases recorded as many in those areas will see no reason to get tested unless they need to go to the doctor. What is the incentive to get tested if you have mild symptoms? I'd bet many children already had COVID and were never tested as their symptoms were mild - especially in the vaccine-resistant areas. Again, what is the incentive to test?

I hope they are correct but I'm not holding my breath.
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There is no magic number for herd immunity.

I'm guessing that is not what you are looking for.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
I find it interesting that you describe normal human interaction as "bad behavior". I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you meant "risky". We take risks every day. At this point in the US, everyone has had the opportunity to assess their risk and act accordingly. To me, there's nothing I see that doesn't make me think it's time to move forward normally - bad behavior and all. I will be watching to see if that outlook should change but that's where I am now.
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this virus has made a portion of our society forever risk-adverse
 
Brav520 said:
“We just shouldn’t be having these large events now. If physicians and public health professionals can’t do it, there’s just no safe way to do it.”

www.sfchronicle.com

Omicron in Oakland: How a Wisconsin wedding with ‘super responsible’ vaccinated people led to outbreak

A Wisconsin wedding celebration brought together doctors and public health experts. More...
www.sfchronicle.com www.sfchronicle.com
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Come on, people. Look to our leaders for leadership. They should have had it at the French Laundry. The virus doesn't hang out there so you don't need a mask. London B may have a few other suggestions for virus-free venues as well.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Come on, people. Look to our leaders for leadership. They should have had it at the French Laundry. The virus doesn't hang out there so you don't need a mask. London B may have a few other suggestions for virus-free venues as well.
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that’s the thing , the people making the mandates , the people saying you should be super scared of this virus , well they aren’t actually scared of it themselves
 
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