Vaccine

EvilGoalie 21 said:
I could just as easily say that you choose to accentuate the money, power, dark side of human nature it's all a conspiracy so a pick a side stuff. But it's all good. Helpful in a way actually. YMMV
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It's my econ training. Incentives.

A big failure of utopian schemes (whether Marxism or zero covid) is they make policy around how they wish people were, instead of what they are.
 
GoldenGate said:
I was pretty clear that it was the wrong decision. But it wasn't a decision "politicizing healthcare". The only "politicizing healthcare" here is being done by those who keep pointing to that poor decision as an excuse to completely ignore all of the things that mitigate spread and reduce deaths.
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At a minimum, the Levine appointment was a clear example of politicizing healthcare.

By the time of the appointment, it was clear that the decision to return patients to nursing homes resulted in added cases and deaths. If you were just looking for the most qualified person, there is no way you’d choose someone with that on their resume. You’d look to places like WA and CA that seemed on top of it.
 
GoldenGate said:
When the pandemic hit NY, there was little to no knowledge about how impacted hospitals would become or how life threatening Covid was to any specific categories of persons. Within a week, NYC went from 20 to 500 people dying of Covid daily, and 1000 the following week. There was no telling at the time how bad it was going to get and it wasn't clear whether sending nursing home patients who did not need to be in the hospital anymore back to nursing homes where they might still spread it, or leave them in potentially overwhelmed hospitals where they might also spread it. Was it the wrong decision in retrospect? Yes, of course it was. Did they overestimate the ability of nursing homes to prevent internal spread among their residents? Yes. Did they end up being overly concerned about the risk to children and other healthy groups? Also yes. Was this decision "politicizing healthcare". Of course not.

Honestly, it's pretty crazy that even a feeble-minded person like yourself would assert that others are politicizing healthcare in the very same sentence in which you're claiming that it all started in NY and NJ. No, it didn't start with NY and NJ. Cuomo sending nursing home residents was not "politicizing" healthcare. "Politicizing healthcare" started when you and your other anti-mask/vax friends subsequently used a decision that ended up being the wrong one as your excuse over the next two years to support "I can believe whatever I want because freedom" policies and ignore (and even mock) the guidance of virtually every single reputable medical and healthcare organization in the U.S. And all of this bs behavior has led to hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths. So, yes, AZ's shining example of complete and utter stupidity needs discussion far more than NY/NJ, since states like AZ have no fucking excuse to have so many dead bodies and keep making the same stupid decisions, unlike NY. You're just labeling any fact you don't like as "politics" and then ignoring it because that's what your weak mind has learned to do from Fox and Newsmax.
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You are beyond clueless. All of these words clearly prove that. You have a basic misunderstanding of disease protocols, you follow some silly political playbook, and you kneel at the pew of your ideology.

You are out of your mind If you think for one second that experts in the field (not ones why play one on TV) didn't recommend basic protocols for novel infections disease/outbreaks. Continue to froth at the mouth with meaningless words. You are good for entertainment purposes. Now please turn to page 8, paragraph 2, bullet #3 and type out your response. As it turns out, Cuomo is in fact a dirt bag. His aspirations were clearly political. He is a perverted, egotistical man

I know I'm not going to change your small, narrow mind. But it is amusing how easily disturbed and protective you become. Science and medicine were trumped by politics.
 
espola said:
Abortion is legal on request up to 12 weeks development in all countries except Poland, Vatican City, and a handful of mini-states. Even in those cases, nearby borders allow women to effectively have full choice in the matter.
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Pretty good summary as to the reasoning behind the future ruling by the Supreme Court on a question revolving around states rights and a question of 15wks vs 20 wks on termination of pregnancies. Guess you agree given your comment above… now that wasn’t divisive at all, right?
 
what-happened said:
You are beyond clueless. All of these words clearly prove that. You have a basic misunderstanding of disease protocols, you follow some silly political playbook, and you kneel at the pew of your ideology.

You are out of your mind If you think for one second that experts in the field (not ones why play one on TV) didn't recommend basic protocols for novel infections disease/outbreaks. Continue to froth at the mouth with meaningless words. You are good for entertainment purposes. Now please turn to page 8, paragraph 2, bullet #3 and type out your response. As it turns out, Cuomo is in fact a dirt bag. His aspirations were clearly political. He is a perverted, egotistical man

I know I'm not going to change your small, narrow mind. But it is amusing how easily disturbed and protective you become. Science and medicine were trumped by politics.
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Yes, states like AZ, FL and TX have it figured out. Definitely no clearly political decisions by perverted egotistical governors in those states, especially their attempted bans on hospitals and nursing homes requiring that their staff get vaccinated. No politics there. Clearly they know better than the hundreds of front line hospitals that are requiring that their staff get vaccinated, right?

The fact that you keep pointing to a bad decision that everyone agrees was bad to avoid addressing how the governors of pretty much every southern state continue ignoring virtually every disease protocol in existence just shows the level of your desperation. No one believes it was a good decision, yet here you are trying to pretend that I do, because it's the only way to avoid talking about literally every single stupid and inexcusable decision made by each of the states with by far the highest death rates over the last year and a half. Carry on with the anti-vax/mask agenda, which is turning out to be very lucrative for the mortuary business. So weird that none of today's batch of Herman Cain Award winners were nursing home residents, however.

https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/rbqk6e
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/rbvj27
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/rbu4e9
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/rboic7
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/rbx7sb
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCain...an_succumbs_to_covid_before_getting_a_chance/
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCain...this_antivaxxer_lost_her_sister_and_then_her/
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCain.../bill_was_a_marine_bill_made_his_own_choices/
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/rbqxqu/scottish_sportsman_accepts_his_award/
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCain.../he_loved_beer_but_wasnt_sold_on_the_vaccine/
 
dad4 said:
At a minimum, the Levine appointment was a clear example of politicizing healthcare.

By the time of the appointment, it was clear that the decision to return patients to nursing homes resulted in added cases and deaths. If you were just looking for the most qualified person, there is no way you’d choose someone with that on their resume. You’d look to places like WA and CA that seemed on top of it.
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What the fuck are you talking about? NY didn't appoint them. I take it you're just going to point to whatever the fuck thing as evidence of "politicizing healthcare" so that you can then ignore whatever you want from health experts, since something was politicized so therefore everything is?
 
GoldenGate said:
I was pretty clear that it was the wrong decision. But it wasn't a decision "politicizing healthcare". The only "politicizing healthcare" here is being done by those who keep pointing to that poor decision as an excuse to completely ignore all of the things that mitigate spread and reduce deaths.
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Ex-fucking-actly! That is a pattern they adhere to on many subjects.
 
dad4 said:
At a minimum, the Levine appointment was a clear example of politicizing healthcare.

By the time of the appointment, it was clear that the decision to return patients to nursing homes resulted in added cases and deaths. If you were just looking for the most qualified person, there is no way you’d choose someone with that on their resume. You’d look to places like WA and CA that seemed on top of it.
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I do like how you assume that the federal government appointing a transgender person is politicizing healthcare. I'm sure it wouldn't be "political" of a president to appoint a bank CEO as secretary of treasury? Or an oil industry lobbyist as secretary of the interior. Or a rich business owner as secretary of labor, followed by an employment defense attorney who also happens to be the brother of your favorite supreme court justice? Or the wife of a senator whose help you need as secretary of transportation followed by a supporter of U.S. sponsored torture with no experience whatsoever (so qualified). Or a former surgeon as secretary of housing and urban development (hey, at least he was qualified at picking out really expensive office furniture on the taxpayers' dime)? Or a never employed really, really rich person as secretary of education? Or a complete moron as secretary of energy, who tries to hide his complete and utter stupidity and incompetence by wearing glasses? Definitely no politics there.
 
Brav520 said:
He lied , tried to cover it up, wrote a book about his success , and won an Emmy

people were talking that he should be the dem nominee for president , given how well he did on Covid

but yeah , it hasn’t been polticized
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I guess it's progress that you aren't claiming that Hillary's emails are killing everyone in AZ, TX and FL.
 
GoldenGate said:
What the fuck are you talking about? NY didn't appoint them. I take it you're just going to point to whatever the fuck thing as evidence of "politicizing healthcare" so that you can then ignore whatever you want from health experts, since something was politicized so therefore everything is?
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Levine required Pennsylvania nursing homes to accept covid positive patients who were discharged from hospital.

www.timesonline.com

Levine: Bringing nursing home COVID patients back from hospital was right move

State officials believe they did the right thing by requiring nursing homes across Pennsylvania to bring residents...
www.timesonline.com

The decision led to increased deaths at PA nursing homes. Later, Biden appointed them, ignoring the obvious lapse in judgement.

The simplest explanation for the appointment is identity politics. You’d really have to jump through some hoops to make a case that Levine was the best qualified candidate overall.
 
what-happened said:
You are beyond clueless. All of these words clearly prove that. You have a basic misunderstanding of disease protocols, you follow some silly political playbook, and you kneel at the pew of your ideology.

You are out of your mind If you think for one second that experts in the field (not ones why play one on TV) didn't recommend basic protocols for novel infections disease/outbreaks. Continue to froth at the mouth with meaningless words. You are good for entertainment purposes. Now please turn to page 8, paragraph 2, bullet #3 and type out your response. As it turns out, Cuomo is in fact a dirt bag. His aspirations were clearly political. He is a perverted, egotistical man

I know I'm not going to change your small, narrow mind. But it is amusing how easily disturbed and protective you become. Science and medicine were trumped by politics.
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Do you think he actually believes anyone reads his rants? He just bent due to the downfall of the Cuomo brothers. His old alias, EOTL, was the biggest Cuomo nuthugger.
 
GoldenGate said:
I do like how you assume that the federal government appointing a transgender person is politicizing healthcare.
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Can you defend the Levine appointment without referring to their gender status?

No one who oversaw a decision to return covid patients to nursing homes deserved a federal appointment to a health care role. Levine should have been ruled out for the same reason that Biden didn’t appoint the top health official from NY or NJ.

( The rest of your diatribe is irrelevant. I’m opposed to Trump, and therefore feel no obligation to defend his appointments. )
 
dad4 said:
At a minimum, the Levine appointment was a clear example of politicizing healthcare.

By the time of the appointment, it was clear that the decision to return patients to nursing homes resulted in added cases and deaths. If you were just looking for the most qualified person, there is no way you’d choose someone with that on their resume. You’d look to places like WA and CA that seemed on top of it.
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I know how much you hate Levine, so I figured you'd like this meme from the FB feed of a dead anti-vaxxer/masker. For context, I've also included a photo of his super witty "big balls" t-shirt along with his final texts before he got what he deserved. It turns out that he had no stones whatsoever. I wonder if he was a nursing home resident?

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