Vaccine

well, I'll give you this...I agree the closing rhetoric is overblown. But i do agree with his point: that how the paradigm plays out will determine how medical science and society evolve.

I'm actually more optimistic than he is for one simple reason: The Europeans seem to be much more restrained than our blue checks, and given the political wave that is building in the US (again, short of Trump or some other factor derailing it), the Ds are in for a spanking of epic proportions which will (one way or another) end this (or at least substantially shift it). in the long run, though, I have faith truth wins out. Prediction 5-10 years from now we'll be having self-reflexive articles wondering what did we do (particularly to children as those children grow up into adult hood).
The Ds will get spanked, both because its mid terms and redistricting. The overwhelming majority of kids will be just fine 5-10 years from now although various talking heads will be spinning some cr@p on cable TV to generate $ hypothesizing about whatifs that nobody can prove/disprove about how they are a damaged generation or some such.

Can't wait until we get back to normal for kids ... we care so much!

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The Ds will get spanked, both because its mid terms and redistricting. The overwhelming majority of kids will be just fine 5-10 years from now although various talking heads will be spinning some cr@p on cable TV to generate $ hypothesizing about whatifs that nobody can prove/disprove about how they are a damaged generation or some such.

Can't wait until we get back to normal for kids ... we care so much!

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Again, IF the numbers hold up, it's not just a spanking but a spanking of epic proportions along the lines of '94. Biden's poll number, the D hispanic support, right track/wrong track for the country....all epically bad.....3 years is a really really long time and everything can change but Biden right now is on track to make Carter seem like a D success story (or if you prefer, to make Trump's performance in the mid terms look Reaganesque).
 
Again, IF the numbers hold up, it's not just a spanking but a spanking of epic proportions along the lines of '94. Biden's poll number, the D hispanic support, right track/wrong track for the country....all epically bad.....3 years is a really really long time and everything can change but Biden right now is on track to make Carter seem like a D success story (or if you prefer, to make Trump's performance in the mid terms look Reaganesque).
That's entirely possible. Its certainly likely that the Ds get spanked irrespective. If the economy keeps going as it does though, that may negate things for them somewhat.

The US unemployment rate fell by 0.4 percentage points to 4.2 percent in November of 2021 from 4.6 percent in October and well below market expectations of 4.5 percent. It was the lowest jobless rate since February 2020, as the number of unemployed persons fell by 542,000 to 6.9 million. Meanwhile, the labor force participation rate edged up to 61.8 percent in November, the highest level since March 2020, and is 1.5 percentage points lower than in February 2020. The employment-population ratio increased by 0.4 percentage points to 59.2 percent in November, up from its low of 51.3 percent in April 2020 but below 61.1 percent reported in February 2020. source: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

Inflation is a killer for them though.
 
The Ds will get spanked, both because its mid terms and redistricting. The overwhelming majority of kids will be just fine 5-10 years from now although various talking heads will be spinning some cr@p on cable TV to generate $ hypothesizing about whatifs that nobody can prove/disprove about how they are a damaged generation or some such.

Can't wait until we get back to normal for kids ... we care so much!

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Curious mentality to justify F'ing with kids for a few years under the premise that they will just be fine in 5-10 years.
 
The Ds will get spanked, both because its mid terms and redistricting. The overwhelming majority of kids will be just fine 5-10 years from now although various talking heads will be spinning some cr@p on cable TV to generate $ hypothesizing about whatifs that nobody can prove/disprove about how they are a damaged generation or some such.

Can't wait until we get back to normal for kids ... we care so much!

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Re-districting cuts both ways , which is why you haven’t heard those cries really
 
That's entirely possible. Its certainly likely that the Ds get spanked irrespective. If the economy keeps going as it does though, that may negate things for them somewhat.

The US unemployment rate fell by 0.4 percentage points to 4.2 percent in November of 2021 from 4.6 percent in October and well below market expectations of 4.5 percent. It was the lowest jobless rate since February 2020, as the number of unemployed persons fell by 542,000 to 6.9 million. Meanwhile, the labor force participation rate edged up to 61.8 percent in November, the highest level since March 2020, and is 1.5 percentage points lower than in February 2020. The employment-population ratio increased by 0.4 percentage points to 59.2 percent in November, up from its low of 51.3 percent in April 2020 but below 61.1 percent reported in February 2020. source: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

Inflation is a killer for them though.

As you say inflation is a killer. At the rate it's going it's wiping any employment wage gains.
 
Curious mentality to justify F'ing with kids for a few years under the premise that they will just be fine in 5-10 years.

I also like the "overwhelming"...the rest of them....many of them constituencies near and dear to D hearts....who cares....collateral damage.

it's like the reverse of saying the "overwhelming" number of people who catch covid (at least pre-vaccine) will be fine.
 
Curious mentality to justify F'ing with kids for a few years under the premise that they will just be fine in 5-10 years.
Where exactly am I justifying "F'ing with kids"? Here's a hint, read what I was replying to, then my reply, then take a leap and realize that I'm not talking about "F'ing with kids" at all.
 
well, I'll give you this...I agree the closing rhetoric is overblown. But i do agree with his point: that how the paradigm plays out will determine how medical science and society evolve.

I'm actually more optimistic than he is for one simple reason: The Europeans seem to be much more restrained than our blue checks, and given the political wave that is building in the US (again, short of Trump or some other factor derailing it), the Ds are in for a spanking of epic proportions which will (one way or another) end this (or at least substantially shift it). in the long run, though, I have faith truth wins out. Prediction 5-10 years from now we'll be having self-reflexive articles wondering what did we do (particularly to children as those children grow up into adult hood).
When the European's consider math "racist", then we will know they have lost their way as well.
 
Where exactly am I justifying "F'ing with kids"? Here's a hint, read what I was replying to, then my reply, then take a leap and realize that I'm not talking about "F'ing with kids" at all.
It's the cavalier attitude that kids will be fine in 5-10 years. If you weren't referring to Covid policies then my apologies. Let me ask you this:

Are you saying that kids have not been damaged during Covid due to lockdowns (ie disruption of education, negative mental health impacts etc)?
Did you support extended school closures?
Do you support continued masking of school children regardless of age even if vaccinated?
Do you support weekly, or twice weekly testing of student athletes even if vaccinated?
Do you support kids being sent home from school for up to 14 days for just having exposure to another student with Covid?
Do you think kids 5 and up should be required to be vaccinated to attend school? If so, why shouldn't parents have the choice to vaccinate their kids?
 
Re-districting cuts both ways , which is why you haven’t heard those cries really
Gerrymandering should be illegal, but SCOTUS determined that its just fine as long as its only done to favor a party, as against race etc. I find that bizarre, and fundamentally undemocratic, but what do you do, SCOTUS thinks the house should be renamed "The House that's not Representative". I'm sure there's an originalist reason for that.

There are already legal challenges ongoing in some states. One particularly egregious example is Ohio, where the Rs (in this instance) have suggested a plan which would give them a 13-2 advantage. For reference, T carried Ohio with 53% of the vote. The plan also violates a constitutional amendment prohibiting districts which unduly favor a party or incumbents. So the actual electorate say they want fair elections and voted in a constitutional amendment to get them, but the state representatives (based on the previously gerrymandered districts) are not so enthused!
 
It's the cavalier attitude that kids will be fine in 5-10 years. If you weren't referring to Covid policies then my apologies. Let me ask you this:

Are you saying that kids have not been damaged during Covid due to lockdowns (ie disruption of education, negative mental health impacts etc)?
Did you support extended school closures?
Do you support continued masking of school children regardless of age even if vaccinated?
Do you support weekly, or twice weekly testing of student athletes even if vaccinated?
Do you support kids being sent home from school for up to 14 days for just having exposure to another student with Covid?
Do you think kids 5 and up should be required to be vaccinated to attend school? If so, why shouldn't parents have the choice to vaccinate their kids?
I was replying to something Grace said - context is always key. The "overwhelming" word explicitly acknowledges that not all will be. I'll even entertain your Qs
- No, some will have been.
- No.
- No.
- No.
- This is too broad. Were they just in the same classroom or sitting next to for 7 hours a day? What's the ventilation like in the school in Q? Is the kid vaccinated or have they been previously infected? What's the "greater good", i.e. one kid has to stay at home for 14 days, or 30 kids get Covid and they are all at home for 14 days.
- No.
 
That’s hockey.

Remember when Fox network tried to improve the viewer experience of hockey by putting glowing highlights around the puck? All they really needed to do was widen the camera angle and watch the players' reactions. In the long run. HDTV pretty much solved the problem anyway.

 
this is good news about t-cells and omicron. Why it might not be putting as many people in the hospital.

 
I was replying to something Grace said - context is always key. The "overwhelming" word explicitly acknowledges that not all will be. I'll even entertain your Qs
- No, some will have been.
- No.
- No.
- No.
- This is too broad. Were they just in the same classroom or sitting next to for 7 hours a day? What's the ventilation like in the school in Q? Is the kid vaccinated or have they been previously infected? What's the "greater good", i.e. one kid has to stay at home for 14 days, or 30 kids get Covid and they are all at home for 14 days.
- No.
My apologies for taking you out of context. Im super sensitive when it comes to the treatment of kids during Covid.

I happen to agree with you on gerrymandering. Win on your merits not on district boundaries. However if Dems think the primary reasons they are going to lose is midterm history and redistricting they are tone deaf. At a minimum they need to modify their messaging on crime, energy, education and spending. They dont need to become Rs but they need to moderate some of the extremism. Id say the same about Rs when it comes to certain issues. At the end of the day I think most of us are moderates that lean left or right.

Unfortunately the 2024 election is shaping up to be a disaster. Hopefully a lot changes.
 
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