What makes you think that all viruses and bacteria mutate at the same rate? This one just happens to do it quickly, which means in retrospect probably targeting the spike protein wasn't a good way to go for the vaccine had we had the luxury of more time.
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Wow an actual, insightful, genuinely thoughtful post by espola on the same day I had pretty much written him off as a clown. That one earns you an apology from me: you aren't entirely useless. I'm sorry for thinking as much. Color me shocked.
I don’t think they all mutate at the same rate.
I am sure a virology expert could tell you whether measles has a good or a bad system to fix data replication errors, and how that affects the mutation rate. That is, they could tell you if you were willing to listen to an expert.
Or, you can keep with your current strategy of listening to fringe twitter feeds and telling yourself that you are right.
Ah, i see we are back with the old "trust the experts" (which YOU mean trust the establishmentarian experts that agree with my priors) and complaining about twitter feeds.
Drink! (that's a double).
p.s. measles has been around for centuries. We've been vaccinating since the 60s. you don't need detailed math to see it.
I should have edited that last sentence down to half as many words.
Take your win. Enjoy it.
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Hmmm.
I’m sorry. I didn‘t give “Zuby” credit for his extensive virology research work.
If you quote some random musician as evidence on a scientific question, don’t complain when someone notices.
Reasonable question on the existence of measles variants. Almost all of the world’s measles cases happened well before we were able to detect variants. If there had been different variants, what makes you think you would know about it?
I also probably should have used "alleles" instead of "phenotypes", but the difference in meanings is subtle.
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The problem with this should be obvious.
The shots you are talking about were developed over years before they went public. So they knew how many shots needed, how effective they were/are, etc.
With covid vaxxes, they still just don't know.
I’m sorry. I didn‘t give “Zuby” credit for his extensive virology research work.
If you quote some random musician as evidence on a scientific question, don’t complain when someone notices.
Reasonable question on the existence of measles variants. Almost all of the world’s measles cases happened well before we were able to detect variants. If there had been different variants, what makes you think you would know about it?
One feature of modern biology is how rapidly the techniques have advanced since the discovery of the structure of DNA and thus the mechanism of genetic coding. It still seems like science fiction to me that someone sitting in a lab at a computer console can type in or edit in from archived fragments the entire genetic code for a new organism, and the thing survives to reproduce on its own. It's like Dr. Frankenstein almost had it right when he assembled his creature from dead body parts, except that he wasn't thinking small enough.
We could always wait a few more years. How many would die in that time?
I’m sorry. I didn‘t give “Zuby” credit for his extensive virology research work.
If you quote some random musician as evidence on a scientific question, don’t complain when someone notices.
Reasonable question on the existence of measles variants. Almost all of the world’s measles cases happened well before we were able to detect variants. If there had been different variants, what makes you think you would know about it?
Your meritocratic contempt just drips from your mouth doesn't it? You're just po'd that he has your number. It especially hurts that a musician that you consider a nobody is calling out the eggheaded so-called experts. Yikes!
We've had 60 years of experience with the vaccine. How does that compare to the Rona? It's a fair point that measles (way back to Justinian) might have been more rapidly evolving then (when it was just beginning) but that just means it's hubris to think we could conquer a novel respiratory virus due to blind faith in some new technology. Measles is not novel.
Read the polio vaccine history. It’s not as clear cut as you think. There were plenty of bumps in the road, even after approval of the first doses.
Hey another really great point. "Private Pyle, you are definitely born again hard. Hell I might even allow you to serve as a rifleman in my beloved corp."
The issue, though, then is: a. you shouldn't mandate it until they sure (offer it up for those who want to take the risks....don't force it on them), and b. it looks like the initial doses may be enough to take the sting off severe disease due to novelity....requiring more shots on top of that is diminishing returns.
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Which historically led them to be more cautious with vaccines like the chicken pox and rotavirus vaccines. I myself was a victim of that delay, being hospitalized for chicken pox, a few years before the FDA approved it (even though it had been approved in Europe).