Vaccine

Hayek also understood that such temporary measures, implemented for a limited purpose, rarely remain that way. In Law, Legislation and Liberty, Hayek accepted that sometimes the liberal order ‘may yet have to be temporarily suspended when the long-run preservation of that order is itself threatened. During such emergencies, be it a war on germs or Germans, protecting civil society itself becomes the ‘overruling common purpose’.

But when defined vaguely enough, that ‘overruling common purpose’ can be invoked to continue denying liberty even after the initial threat has waned or passed. As Hayek wrote, ‘”Emergencies” have always been the pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have been eroded — and once they are suspended it is not difficult for anyone who has assumed emergency powers to see to it that the emergency will persist.’

If anything, it is harder for governments to relinquish such powers. Once people get attached to the idea of a benevolent, all-caring state, it appears compassionless to return to normal. COVID restrictions were initially put in place to ‘slow the spread’ so that hospitals would not be overwhelmed with patients. Now, public health officials use them for a myriad of different purposes: to minimize ‘long COVID’ or to prevent cases entirely.
 
Covid vaccine passports scrapped for winter by Boris Johnson

Boris Johnson will announce this week that he is scrapping plans that would have required vaccine passports for entry to nightclubs, cinemas and sports grounds.

On Tuesday, the prime minister will announce plans to try to keep Covid under control over the winter. He will say that he has abandoned the proposed compulsory certification scheme, which would have forced venues to check people’s vaccine status.
 
Delta is Dying

An earlier study at the Cleveland Clinic of more than 52,000 health-care workers from December 16, 2020 to May 15, 2021 (just before Delta became dominant in the U.S.) found that both natural immunity and vaccine immunity provide good protection against infections. Not one of the 1,359 previously infected subjects who remained unvaccinated was reinfected. Their risk of infection was no higher than for vaccinated people, whether they were previously infected or uninfected.

Moreover, natural immunity thus far appears to be at least as long-lasting as vaccine immunity. Even before vaccines were widely available, studies indicated that four types of immune memory persist for more than six months after infection. The Cleveland Clinic results suggested that natural immunity provides protection against reinfection for ten or more months, leading the authors to conclude that previously infected Covid-19 patients are “unlikely to benefit” from vaccination. Another study found that convalescent individuals maintained immunologic protection for 12 months without vaccination, though protection could be enhanced by vaccination.

Covid-19 treatments have improved as well. Several versions of monoclonal antibodies have been authorized and are now readily available. These medicines are highly effective at keeping early Covid-19 from progressing, thus decreasing the risk of hospitalization or death by 70 percent to 85 percent, particularly for people at high risk of developing severe disease. Steroids and new, more effective ICU protocols have also led to lower Covid-19 mortality.
 
dad4 said:
No. I freely admit that we could be over this in a couple months if we used crop dusters to spray live Delta virus over the whole population.

Then just wait a few days. Anyone still alive must be immune!

It's just a bad idea, that's all.
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A Subtle Catastrophe

The Biden plan rests on mutually exclusive premises. First, there is the implicit assertion that the vaccines work. Indeed, they work so well that we should force 80 million people to get vaccinated, whether they want to or not. This, of course, flies in the face of the other presupposition: that we need to vaccinate damn near everyone because people are simply not safe otherwise.

Aren’t those who voluntarily took a vaccine already protected? If not, the vaccines are not all that effective, and mandating them will not make them any more so. If that’s not the objective, are we really protecting the anti-vaxxers from themselves? Since when is that an appropriate use of government power? Either way, forcing people to submit to a vaccine they don’t want as a condition of their continued employment doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.
 
Quiz for the day: Multiple choice too for those WHO need to take a stab in the dark. WHO said, "If you don't get vaccinated, your going to die" and that hospitals should become "scary" and look to "inflate" the Divoc A.I. numbers to sound like death is right around the corner.

A. Espola/EOTL
B. Golden Gate/EOTL
C. Husker/EOTL
D. Dr. Rudyk/McDonald Marketing Group and the Rest
 
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"Unfortunately, as a country, we have experience in dealing with exemptions, but we've got to be vigilant there and make sure that people are using them, you know, in the spirit that they're intended and not abusing them or asking for exemptions when they don't apply," Murthy told CNN’s "State of the Union." "That's an area that we continue to monitor in the days and weeks ahead."

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MacDre said:
Dude doesn’t seem to like folks from Norcal. I’d recommend that you stop being a stereotypical Norcal Hippie and moving to the OC and hanging with the homie Crush if you want to get unblocked.

Will that work @met61?
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You could be right @MacDre. Maybe, someday, @met61, @crush and myself can be buds someday. One can dream.

Until then, I will go back to burning incense while listening to The Dead in my hot tub. You know, doing those stereotypical NorCal things.
 
MacDre said:
Dude doesn’t seem to like folks from Norcal. I’d recommend that you stop being a stereotypical Norcal Hippie and moving to the OC and hanging with the homie Crush if you want to get unblocked.

Will that work @met61?
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Dre and NoCalDad, free surf lessons for you and your goats if you come to the Great OC. Free!!! I love all you guys from NoCal. OC is now the new melting pot of all things that are cool and hip. Catch me why I'm still in South OC :)
 
This is not a joke. The Chinese national hockey team just arrived in Sweden. Seriously afraid of coming to Covid Land. Curious to know how they will dress for match in the graveyard of ambition when it comes to handling the pandemic.

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MacDre said:
Dude doesn’t seem to like folks from Norcal. I’d recommend that you stop being a stereotypical Norcal Hippie and moving to the OC and hanging with the homie Crush if you want to get unblocked.

Will that work @met61?
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Excellent idea! Why don't you both jump on I80 east and keep driving till it ends, we'll see you when you get here.
 
Apparently now it's the twin threats of flu and COVID. This is the debate that's emerging in the blue states (it looks like Europe is over it and will be trying to return to normal....slowly but surely): whether there ever is such a thing as back to normal where schools go back without disruptions/masks and the offices actually open up. At least he's actually off the idea of zero COVID.


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A Second Major Seasonal Virus Won’t Leave Us Any Choice

Businesses and schools must adapt, because the dual threat from COVID and the flu will be too severe.
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Bruddah IZ said:
That reads more like. "Where is the" DICTATORSHIP "that says a county cannot implement a mask or vaccine mandate unless Newsom has declared a state of emergency, as you claimed?"
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I'd think even you would agree a system of government that allows local elected officials to adopt local ordinances is the opposite of a dictatorship, but it is pretty clear that you define "dictatorship" as any form of government that doesn't give you what you want, including when decisions are made by officials elected by an overwhelming majority of voters. You wanted the president making the decisions up until the majority elected someone who disagreed with you. Then you wanted state government to make the decisions up until the majority disagreed with you also. Then you wanted local elected officials to make the decisions up until they also disagreed with you. Your post is a perfect example how people like you aren't serious. You don't care about thoughtful discussion or facts. Nothing you say is credible.

Grace T., how do you feel about his understanding of different forms of government? Do you agree that a system of government in which local elected officials adopting local ordinances is a "dictatorship"? If not, why stay silent when those who share your hostility towards vaccines, masks, and the seriousness of Covid-19 say crazy things like this? Is it because you need all the crazies if you are to get what you want? Do you rationalize actual dictatorship under some "strict constructionist" bs that democracy should really just be whatever it takes for the ends justifying the means, as long as they are the ends that you prefer?
 
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