Vaccine

Roadrunner said:
The child death numbers have gone up. I believe the current number is more like 489 covid deaths from infections in the 0-17 age range.

Also, the only infection outcomes that matter aren't simply binary - alive or dead. There's no category yet that is publicly reporting on long term damage rates.
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Do you have a link for the rising child death numbers given we are now 20 months in to this scamdemic.
 
dad4 said:
Outcomes are the same?

So, you're ok with Levine and Cuomo putting known covid patients back in nursing homes. After all, the outcome is the same, so it can't have done any harm, right?
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Hah! Remember how well putting known SARS and MERS patients back in nursing homes worked in the past? While shutting down the economy.
 
Roadrunner said:
Long term effects of vaccines? Like reducing infection rates or serious infections? There are data regarding vaccine reactions, which aren't really seen past about 2 months post vaccination. (The data collected in the Pfizer clinical trials for 5-11 yr olds has not been released. There is data out there for short term reactions to the vaccine for 12-17.). A study out from Israel came out this week analyzing risks for Pfizer vaccine vs COVID-19. (And I am going to call it Pfizer vaccine because their trade name is weird. Moderna's spike-vax is so much better.)

What long term impacts from vaccines are you referring to? Please don't tell me you think they can magnetize the recipient....

Many posters here are putting COVID-19 outcomes as alive vs dead, but survivors can experience other undesirable outcomes too. Knowing those numbers could make risk calculations different. The long covid data is less accessible for a variety of reasons.
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Gotta love EUA's. You wouldn't have to wait for "the long covid data" if your weren't grossly ignoring the past MERS and SARS-1 data while comparing this SARS event to itself.
 
espola said:
Look up mythos versus ethos. Mythos is those concepts adherents to a given religion believe, whether it is golden tablets, being chosen people, magic stones, or eternal pie in the sky when you die. Ethos is what those adherents do, especially to those who don't share the same mythos.
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You're babbling.
 
In Israel, vaccinated individuals had 27 times higher risk of symptomatic COVID infection compared to those with natural immunity from prior COVID disease [95%CI:13-57, adjusted for time of vaccine/disease]. No COVID deaths in either group.

Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity: reinfections versus breakthrough infections

This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant.

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Bruddah IZ said:
Do you have a link for the rising child death numbers given we are now 20 months in to this scamdemic.
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The data is on the CDC website. The Johns Hopkins website also tracks data, though the specific numbers I cited were from the CDC data on demographics of covid deaths in the US. A number of states have changed the frequency of their reporting, so just keep on eye on that as you look at/ analyze the data.
 
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Roadrunner said:
The data is on the CDC website. The Johns Hopkins website also tracks data, though the specific numbers I cited were from the CDC data on demographics of covid deaths in the US. A number of states have changed the frequency of their reporting, so just keep on eye on that as you look at/ analyze the data.
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Okay. I've seen that data. Sounds like we should have employed the current masking policies for children at least 30 years ago. Influenza has killed many more children than the Corona virus.
 
Supreme Court Finally Curbs CDC’s Total Power

By a 6-3 vote, then, we finally have a ray of hope that the Supreme Court of the US will not be wholly silent as American liberties and limits on government slip away entirely under the cover of public health. Finally the CDC has encountered some pushback after a year and a half of exercising powers over the American population never before experienced, and few would have imagined possible only two years ago.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
Gotta love EUA's. You wouldn't have to wait for "the long covid data" if your weren't grossly ignoring the past MERS and SARS-1 data while comparing this SARS event to itself.
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Which data from MERS or SARS-CoV1 am I ignoring? And why is whatever data you are referencing relevant? SARS-coV2
EvilGoalie 21 said:
MERS bound a different cell entry receptor. Had ~30% fatality rate. More likely to go systemic as I recall but been awhile.
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The MERS genome is about 50% similar to SARS-CoV2, whatever that's worth here too. I'm not sure exactly what data bruddah thinks is missing, or being ignored, or relevant. There are also coronaviruses that cause just cold symptoms.

There was an attempt at a SARS 1 vaccine, but by the time the group had it ready, the SARS 1 outbreak was a look already tailing off so they couldn't do clinical trials.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
Sounds like we could have benefited from mandates with the Corona caused MERS back then too.
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It was largely confined to countries in the middle east, and, as evident from the case numbers, this virus thankfully did not cause a pandemic. I do know someone personally who was lucky to survive MERS. It is not a virus you'd wish to experience.
 
Roadrunner said:
It was largely confined to countries in the middle east, and, as evident from the case numbers, this virus thankfully did not cause a pandemic. I do know someone personally who was lucky to survive MERS. It is not a virus you'd wish to experience.
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Actually, I know somebody as well. It was touch and go. I believe there were mandates/quarantine procedures put in place for American service personel in the middle east. maybe more general travel restrictions as well.
 
Roadrunner said:
Which data from MERS or SARS-CoV1 am I ignoring? And why is whatever data you are referencing relevant? SARS-coV2
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The below is relevant data

EvilGoalie 21 said:
SARS: 8098 confirmed cases worldwide, 774 deaths, 8 laboratory confirmed US cases
MERS: 2547 confirmed cases worldwide, 886 deaths, 2 laboratory confirmed US cases
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It is relevant because both were caused by the Corona Virus.

Roadrunner said:
The MERS genome is about 50% similar to SARS-CoV2, whatever that's worth here too. I'm not sure exactly what data bruddah thinks is missing, or being ignored, or relevant. There are also coronaviruses that cause just cold symptoms.

There was an attempt at a SARS 1 vaccine, but by the time the group had it ready, the SARS 1 outbreak was a look already tailing off so they couldn't do clinical trials.
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The data was never missing. It was simply ignored and thus the masses were easily manipulated to believe we were dealing with something completely new and, Lockdowns were the only way to go.
 
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