one of the con websites (I forget who) tracked down the teacher for comment. Apparently claimed wasn’t concerned because the kids were masked.
Outbreak Associated with SARS-CoV-2 B.1.617.2 (Delta)...
COVID-19 outbreak associated with an unvaccinated infected teacher in an elementary school from May–June 2021 in Marin County, California.www.cdc.gov
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The argument isn’t only vaxxed v unvaxxed. The other argument is whether those previously infected with the Rona have sufficient protection and therefore don’t need the vax, need only a booster (and if so when). or need the whole course of treatment. The info that’s come out seems to indicate natural immunity is fairly robust. But of course if you haven’t had a symptomatic case, you should get vaxxed.
Btw it’s unlikely the health experts will come out at this point and say they goofed with natural immunity. Such an admission means that after the elderly were vaxxed, they probably killed a ton of people (both in the us and abroad) by not prioritizing those who had not had the Rona first.
Blame the messaging. Its shameful. There was so much focus on masking the healthy that we ignored the sick.
The message should have been that masks provide limited protection and if you're sick, masking your self and others is likely not going prevent transmission. Stay home and quarantine.
The messaging was made considerably more difficult by the considerable number of unqualified people putting out disinformation.
The simple message was "My mask protects you; your mask protects me.". That message came out in April 2020.
Unfortunately, that simple message was muddled by 16 months of bogus arguments from various anti mask zealots, some of whom have the gall to complain about it now.
Like when Fauci said we didn’t need them and when Pelosi broadcast from China Town? Then Donald doubled down…..smh
We can argue which has been more problematic, overselling or underselling masks. Id argue its the overselling which gave people a false sense of security like the teacher in question. Stop selling a mask as the panacea of protection. How about the truth that masks only provide limited protection.
Regardless of your position on masks, the biggest problem with the policies are they treat healthy people and sick people virtually the same. Just FYI you cant get Covid from someone that doesnt have it. I dont know why thats such a diifficult concept for many to comprehend. The media and the talking heads would have you believe that if you go to a crowded place indoors without a mask you're going to get Covid. Sorry but thats not how it works.
If your infected or think your infected stay home. Dont go out in public thinking a mask is going to protect others from your virus.
Most of the mask messages I have seen have been in the “reduces but does not eliminate” category. (The others are straight up misinformation, like you see from Grace, Hound, or Dizzy.)
Not sure where you are seeing people say “mask = zero risk.”, but I completely agree that it is a dangerous oversimplification.
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Way price overkill. has a bunch of antifungal drugs (ie athlete's foot) and deodorants = $ and won't do anything to a virus. Home recipe for anti-viral much cheaper. 70% ethanol, 0.05% bleach. Uhhh.....for external, not internal, surface use.
The weight that the media, the medical talking heads, health policy leaders and politicians have put on mask wearing overwhelms any suggestion that masks "reduce but does not eliminate".
I got to spend time yesterday with my wife's family. All have been jabbed except my wife and I. It got heated at the pool. I feel it's important to share from real life stories from real life. Backdrop: One is Athletic Director of a big HS in the IE, one is school counselor and two work for the county. Grandpa & Grandma are retired and both have Alzheimers. We were all chilling and somehow the conversation came up about where my dd is going to go to college. Success on that side is college or bust. We said it's been tough for the 2022s because of Politics & the War that were currently in. Mr. AD decided to chime in. Sister in law new boyfriend btw and he thinks he knows what's best. Dude acted like a health professional instead of a sports guy.
AD: Why won;t dd get jabbed
Crush: You should ask her
Crush: Why can;t she play soccer in college without the Jab
AD: Its note safe to have unvax person on the field
Crush: What did you just say? These players are super healthy and no one is going to die who is healthy.
AD: What about the 53 year old ref?
Crush: You have to be kidding me, right? I thought ref is vaccinated? What is he afraid of?
AD: We have to protect everyone and if your dd plays, she can infect those on the field
((Crush's wife comes over and gives me that look and the reminder that we both agreed to not talk Jab at family get together))
Crush: Tell you what Mr. AD. When you lose your job and have nowhere to work to pay your bills, let's talk.
Sister in law: Well Crush, we all have to live with the choices we make and the consequences that come with those choices.
Crush: 100% agree. I need to go take a walk to chill out.
Then the two county workers decided to chime in and give their two cents on why my wife and I and my dd are being super selfish and a danger to others as I was going to take my walk. I did not respond and just went for a long walk. It's sad after 24 years of marriage and love with my Outlaws that it's come down to Jab or no jab
Jab vs no Jab!!
AD: Why won;t dd get jabbed
Crush: You should ask her
Crush: Why can;t she play soccer in college without the Jab
AD: Its note safe to have unvax person on the field
Crush: What did you just say? These players are super healthy and no one is going to die who is healthy.
AD: What about the 53 year old ref?
Crush: You have to be kidding me, right? I thought ref is vaccinated? What is he afraid of?
AD: We have to protect everyone and if your dd plays, she can infect those on the field
((Crush's wife comes over and gives me that look and the reminder that we both agreed to not talk Jab at family get together))
Crush: Tell you what Mr. AD. When you lose your job and have nowhere to work to pay your bills, let's talk.
Sister in law: Well Crush, we all have to live with the choices we make and the consequences that come with those choices.
Crush: 100% agree. I need to go take a walk to chill out.
Then the two county workers decided to chime in and give their two cents on why my wife and I and my dd are being super selfish and a danger to others as I was going to take my walk. I did not respond and just went for a long walk. It's sad after 24 years of marriage and love with my Outlaws that it's come down to Jab or no jab
Jab vs no Jab!!
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They even used the words eliminate or control….at various times claiming (before that message switches to vaxxing) if everyone wears one we can control/eliminate in x weeks. Even the recent mask studies have admitted they were oversold. A more proper message at the start of this would have been: hey they help a little to reduce cases particular indoors…they won’t protect you but wearing a mask might help that essential worker who needs to work. The dilemma now is that the messaging is hard to do without admitting the vaccine isn’t all that they had hoped. To claim its misinformation the health authorities did and continue to do this is out and out lying.
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Very true. I would add that it would have really helped if the virus was only spread by symptomatic people, and it was clear that their symptoms were attributable to the virus. If we had great testing (easy, accessible,fast) and contract tracing in place, it would be another way people to know whether they were likely to spread the virus. With delta's ability to spread so readily, it can be difficult to get ahead of the infections.
Good morning Mr. Roadrunner. If you feel sick, stay TFH, so easy.
They were trying to explain that reducing transmissibility lowers the threshold for herd immunity. If you misunderstand what that sentence means, you’re going to feel lied to.
They did start with talking about reducing transmission. They got millions of idiots who thought they were scientists posting and reposting youtube videos with chain link fences and cans of WD40. You were among them, and you all did real damage to public health.
You cant complain that the message was muddled if you were out there shouting over it.
You are trying to explain away bad messaging with handwaiving. The fact you can’t accept the messaging was bad (and are blaming the critics of the messaging even when the recent mask studies have said mea cupla) should serve as a check on you for how far down the religion rabbit hole you actually are.
I note we still don’t know how much of a problem asymptomatic spread really is. There has yet for example to be a really good case study on it and most of the case studies are in the low symptomatic category like this teacher. The real problem may be with people who think “it’s allergies” or a cold and go out on public with low symptoms. And if asymptomatic spread is truly a threat, the chances of the current vaccines controlling this are next to zero because the viral loads there in a symptomatic person has are likely to be higher than a completely asymptomatic person. Finally if the uk/Denmark approach is correct it really shouldn’t matter at this point
Strawman.
I didn’t build that straw man. We on team reality didn’t come up with the messaging. The fact that team panic can’t even admit “yeah maybe the messaging was oversold” just shows how far the rabbit hole you guys are. If we can’t agree on that, when it just so obviously was the case, just shows we aren’t having a conversation about the science but just good old fashioned religion.
Here’s the other thing that’s got me going “hmmm”. For the longest time team panic was cowed here. Eotl was driven from the field. Gk mom no where to be seen. He of many aliases stopped doing aliases. It was basically just dad and the 2 trolls particularly around June when we thought, and dad even said, it would be over in a couple weeks. But now the aliases are back and we. Have a bunch of newbies sympathetic to team panic and even Mac Dre is lurking about. Go figure.
Great work Grace. Your finally catching on. Just wait until the mask come off the avatars, you will be shocked and i will not. This was a three year sting operation that you will trip out on.